Ultimately I don't care what policy is adopted for Spoilers Lite because I doubt I'll participate, but I will add that the previous spoiler lite policy was, imho, bad for discussion.

This is very inaccurate. I just went to the angel spoilage lite in archive and there was plenty of discussion regarding most spoilage lite info - more specifically casting and writers.

In essence, Lite turned out to be a thread where you could go check up on a possible spoil, and then there was really nothing left to say. Bo. Ring.

I don't know what Lite you were reading. Hard core spoilers were unavailable in Lite, so you couldn't check up on them there. And lite spoilers generated discussion.

FTR, I think spoilage lite worked fine the way it was, and would advocate a return of that thread. I don't think it's fair for a ballot to ask whether a spoilage lite with a completely different directive (i.e. ita's plan for a whitefont spoiler thread) should be created at the expense of the old spoilage lite. IOW, why should it be either/or? I see no reason why both types of threads couldn't co-exist.

Dude, my thread can't co-exist with the current spoilers thread, if that changes as it seems it will.

FTR, not remotely interested in spoilage light until someone gives me a definition of a light spoiler (because that's the way my brain works). And even then, it's just an intellectual interest, since I don't care about that breakdown for my own shows.

Maybe I misunderstood the direction of the discussion here. I was under the (mistaken) impression that we were considering having spoilage lite as an alternative to spoilers for heavy white-fonting. If all we're trying to do is define what a light spoiler is, I can only say this: go look at the old spoilage-lite threads. Sometimes a casting spoiler is light (like Lindsay coming back to Angel,) sometimes it's not (like Lilah coming back to Angel,) and sometimes it starts off spoilery and soon becomes light (like Spike moving to Angel.) To define what makes a spoiler "light" is often subjective and, IMO, an exercise in frustration.

To define what makes a spoiler "light" is often subjective and, IMO, an exercise in frustration.

I completely agree. Which is why I'm unclear on the thread.

we were considering having spoilage lite as an alternative to spoilers for heavy white-fonting

I'd thought there were two questions -- one of which was removing whitefonting from the current thread, one of which was a spoiler lite thread. It seemed quickly apparent that the whitefonted current spoiler thread and the traditional (yet mysterious) spoiler lite thread were in no way comparable.

Just recapping to see if I've got the various positions. There are number of people favoring:

• Wide open, no whitefont spoilers
1. All whitefonted, clearly labeled by show/topic spoilers
2. A place to record no-whitefont lite spoilers (some discussion is needed of what's 'lite')

If that is the summary, then it seems #2 hits the bulk of needs. A spoiler-choosy person and can pick and choose, and 'ho can just hit control-a and rock on.

If nothing in the ballot proposal can remedy it, why are we even discussing/lamenting the current status of the spoiler thread - here? Isn't it outside the scope?

why are we even discussing/lamenting the current status of the spoiler thread - here?

LeN wants to put converting it to no-whitefont-required to a vote. She's suggesting some sort of alternative for the less wholehearted.

How is that outside the scope of the voting system?

I mean, if she proposes a ROT-13 spoiler thread and it passes, then, well, that's how it goes.

I suggest two items on the ballot:

Adding a brand-new Lost specific full-spoiler thread, since Lost has a general thread, and

Defining the light spoiler thread to be added, if it passes, as guest stars, episode titles, authors, and preview speculation in regular font, with exiting cast, tv guide and other entertainment articles and their discussion white-fonted. This would be a general thread, like the general spoilers thread.

preview speculation

??? Isn't that already defined as unspoilery?

Yes, ita, it is. I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to open another can of worms, just as it applied to discussion of articles and stuff that is spoilery. I was trying to cover all bases and just got sloppy.