I would definitely not want spoilers, even whitefonted, in Natter. Other than that, I have no opinion, because the level of spoiledness is, to me, completely mystifying. I'm either completely, utterly, totally spoiled, or not at all, for a specific show. Which means that I personally am unlikely to use the current spoilers thread.

the hardest core of us still didn't white font no matter what

Which means that if you (a member of the hard core) wanted to share or discuss something huge, it might not be whitefonted, right? I think banning whitefont is unnecessary, but putting it into the definition might set up unrealistic expectations of protection.

If there is to be a spoiler of type light, that's allowable in certain places under certain presentation options, we'd better be REALLY clear about how that's defined.

Okay, here's another option:

what if we had another thread that was a general show thread for 3-5 tv shows. So say a thread that was: "Veronica Mars", "Charmed", "O.C." (add others here). Allowed spoilers in white in this thread.

That would keep some spoiler discussion out of Natter. I'm wondering if we just need to add another show thread (for multiple shows) instead of a Spoiler Lite thread.

Well, if we make the 3-5 shows the ones I want to be spoiled on, I'm all for it.

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Wait, a mixed bag show thread, not a mixed spoiler thread?

Then we end up with a thread that the timeshifted can't really read until they're up to date on all the shows that are discussed in there.

How's diving into vote proposal feel, LeN?

The more I read through these (quite admirable) efforts to solve the problem, the more I worry that we're talking about replacing the windshield, refurbishing the upholstery, or possibly even dropping a big block engine under the hood to fix a tiny ding in the fender.

(Edited for some really bad spelling)

Ultimately I don't care what policy is adopted for Spoilers Lite because I doubt I'll participate, but I will add that the previous spoiler lite policy was, imho, bad for discussion.

This is very inaccurate. I just went to the angel spoilage lite in archive and there was plenty of discussion regarding most spoilage lite info - more specifically casting and writers.

In essence, Lite turned out to be a thread where you could go check up on a possible spoil, and then there was really nothing left to say. Bo. Ring.

I don't know what Lite you were reading. Hard core spoilers were unavailable in Lite, so you couldn't check up on them there. And lite spoilers generated discussion.

FTR, I think spoilage lite worked fine the way it was, and would advocate a return of that thread. I don't think it's fair for a ballot to ask whether a spoilage lite with a completely different directive (i.e. ita's plan for a whitefont spoiler thread) should be created at the expense of the old spoilage lite. IOW, why should it be either/or? I see no reason why both types of threads couldn't co-exist.

Dude, my thread can't co-exist with the current spoilers thread, if that changes as it seems it will.

FTR, not remotely interested in spoilage light until someone gives me a definition of a light spoiler (because that's the way my brain works). And even then, it's just an intellectual interest, since I don't care about that breakdown for my own shows.

Maybe I misunderstood the direction of the discussion here. I was under the (mistaken) impression that we were considering having spoilage lite as an alternative to spoilers for heavy white-fonting. If all we're trying to do is define what a light spoiler is, I can only say this: go look at the old spoilage-lite threads. Sometimes a casting spoiler is light (like Lindsay coming back to Angel,) sometimes it's not (like Lilah coming back to Angel,) and sometimes it starts off spoilery and soon becomes light (like Spike moving to Angel.) To define what makes a spoiler "light" is often subjective and, IMO, an exercise in frustration.

To define what makes a spoiler "light" is often subjective and, IMO, an exercise in frustration.

I completely agree. Which is why I'm unclear on the thread.

we were considering having spoilage lite as an alternative to spoilers for heavy white-fonting

I'd thought there were two questions -- one of which was removing whitefonting from the current thread, one of which was a spoiler lite thread. It seemed quickly apparent that the whitefonted current spoiler thread and the traditional (yet mysterious) spoiler lite thread were in no way comparable.