Based on the feedback I've gotten, I am tabling the proposal for one week. When/if I bring it back, it will be about starting specific threads for specific shows.

It looks like one week was specified to allow time for polls.

It looks like one week was specified to allow time for polls.

Thanks, Aurelia. And yeah, I'd like to design a poll by the end of the day tomorrow-ish (basically, I just need to know how to write it up and send it to a Stompy to get coded, since it looks like we know what will be on it), leave it up through Tuesday, see the results, and then come up with a proposal we can bring to a vote next Friday or so.

To continue with the theme of harshness, I still haven't really seen any convincing arguments.

And to go with my own harshness, I haven't seen any convincing arguments against starting new threads to reflect new TV interests. And while whitefont and not being able to find discussions may seem like low barriers to you, they're high enough barriers to keep many people out of conversations they would like to have.

I've seen a few people say that they don't feel we should start new threads until discussion about the topics overwhelms Natter; the problem with that is, almost by definition, nothing is going to overwhelm Natter. It's just not in the nature of the beast. It's theoretically possible, I suppose, but vanishingly unlikely. On the other hand, if you're coming at this from the POV that doesn't read Natter constantly, trying to find and pursue a specific conversation *is* overwhelming.

they're high enugh barriers to keep many people out of discussions they would like to have.

We're not going to get the perfect world. I mean, if some people consider using bookmarks for one of their designed uses inappropriate/too much work, but other consider the threads pointless, why does one POV win for you?

I haven't seen any convincing arguments against starting new threads to reflect new TV interests

The burden of conviction is on the new thread, isn't it?

Keep in mind also that for any new serious show thread, we'd probably also need a corresponding spoiler thread.

Just throwing that out there.

Keep in mind also that for any new serious show thread, we'd probably also need a corresponding spoiler thread.

It's likely eventually, but I feel that's another proposal for another day.

What do I do to get the poll language up?

Someone advocates for the creation of a thread, we open Bulbs, discuss it, vote, and the thread is created by majority rule.

I don't get what the vote is to accomplish. "Hey, someone advocate for this new thread that 14 people seem to want."

Maybe it's the Bronzer in me, but I don't understand why you feel you can't pull a meara and reply to posts about a show three days later. If you have something new and interesting to say that wasn't said days ago, then why not just post it? I don't think there's an expiration date on how many hours/days/weeks a discussion is viable for response.

For me, it's more about the fact that I have a really hard time keeping up with Natter. Oftentimes I have to skip a couple of thousand posts if I want to jump in. But if I want to discuss a show, I need to know what others have already said about it. It's similar to the argument used for the Book Club. Discussions are easier if there's a thread dedicated to it.

That doesn't mean we should have a thread for everything. But that's why Lyra tabled her proposal while we conduct a non-binding poll. She wants to find out how much interest there is in setting up threads for a variety of shows. Using that info, she'll make a formal proposal to open threads for some of them, or maybe drop the proposal altogether.

I've seen a few people say that they don't feel we should start new threads until discussion about the topics overwhelms Natter; the problem with that is, almost by definition, nothing is going to overwhelm Natter.

I don't know if this will help, but I did a Nilly of the Natter Lost discussion yesterday:

Polter-Cow "Spike's Bitches 18: A Whole Different Vibe." Oct 6, 2004 8:17:10 am PDT

It's up to the individual to decide whether the pattern of discussion constitutes "overwhelming" or not.

That doesn't mean we should have a thread for everything. But that's why Lyra tabled her proposal while we conduct a non-binding poll. She wants to find out how much interest there is in setting up threads for a variety of shows

Exactly. Which was my intention when this all started, because there seemed to be support for that in Bureau. It seemed to me that the only way to get that to happen was to put up a proposal, and if I was proposing anyhow I decided to propose one vote instead of a poll and then a vote. It didn't work, so it's back to the poll.

Which, Jon, could I email the poll language to you?

Furthermore, I feel fairly strongly that the ME/Jossverse/Minearverse is essentially still our charter.

And really they should recognize this and immediately broadcast a new series or 3 for us to obsess over. IJS