Honestly, I don't understand why it can't happen in UnAm.

Speaking only for myself, I would feel weird using the UnAm thread to talk about an episode that was aired in the USA the day before. Sure, the UnAms have seen it, and they could and probably would join in the discussion, but I'd still feel like I and my fellow Americans were hijacking the thread to suit our American needs.

First of all the Angel thread is NAFDA discussion of all things Angel so it leaves out UnAmericans as well as people who are new to Angel and have decided to catch up in syndication before going into the Angel thread to discuss current episodes. That leaves us with five threads.

Wolfram, don't obfuscate. I have clearly stated the UnAm safe threads, time and time again and noted that there are 2-3 UnAm safe, with six possible (not all UnAm safe) overall.

Cindy, I was not trying to obfuscate. I felt that if a thread is not UnAm safe, then it shouldn't be considered as one of 5 possible threads to replace Previously. And as I tried to lay out, none of those 5 threads is suitable to stand in as a replacement for the discussion and discussors of Previously.

Please. If you're going to argue with me, please be fair.

I only ask that you do the same. Don't accuse me of confusing an issue that I tried really hard to make clear.

Cindy, I was not trying to obfuscate. I felt that if a thread is not UnAm safe, then it shouldn't be considered as one of 5 possible threads to replace Previously. And as I tried to lay out, none of those 5 threads is suitable to stand in as a replacement for the discussion and discussors of Previously.

Wolfram, I not only stated there were six threads, I stated that 2 to 3 of the 6 were UnAm safe. In more than one of my posts, before you ever posted to me. I shouldn't have assumed the worst, and that was unfair, and for that I'm sorry.

Wolfram, I not only stated there were six threads, I stated that 2 to 3 of the 6 were UnAm safe. In more than one of my posts, before you ever posted to me. I shouldn't have assumed the worst, and that was unfair, and for that I'm sorry.

I'm sorry too. I saw the number 6 so often, that I didn't take the time to point out that you had already said some of them were only NAFDA. And FTR, I think you make a lot of good points, I just don't agree with all of them for the reasons I stated.

Speaking only for myself, I would feel weird using the UnAm thread to talk about an episode that was aired in the USA the day before. Sure, the UnAms have seen it, and they could and probably would join in the discussion, but I'd still feel like I and my fellow Americans were hijacking the thread to suit our American needs.

I'm with Jon on this. The UnAm thread really isn't a show thread. Yes, we could in theory discuss Angel reruns there, or in Natter, or in Buffy, but it would basically be destroying an established and old subcommunity for the sake of consolidation.

There are really only four non-show threads I think should be regarded as untouchable: Natter, Bitches, Atlantic Canadians, and UnAmericans. They all have established cultures.

Wolfram - to cite myself:

No I am saying there are still plenty of threads in which to discuss old episodes of Buffy and Angel, and at least one is UnAmerican safe for both shows. Buffy will lose its NAFDA standing, and be safe for everyone as well. There are places for everyone to get together without the risk of being spoiled.

Cindy "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Aug 21, 2003 12:38:53 pm PDT

Previously does not fill any need that can't be filled in any number of other threads - even for old Angel episodes. Nothing precludes us from moving the talk to UnAmericans, to Natter or even to Buffy. That's why it is a redundancy. The "central meeting place" is habit, not need. There are now other meeting places and the only thing people need to make them "central" is to make it so.

Cindy "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Aug 21, 2003 12:48:28 pm PDT

I keep seeing talk about this locking out the UnAms. What is stopping any of us from discussing anything not spoilery-to-UnAms in the UnAm thread?

Cindy "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Aug 22, 2003 2:35:26 am PDT

In response to that, people are saying if we have no Previously, we have no where to discuss past Angel seasons with UnAms. I am saying we already have 6 threads in which Angel is fair game, and at least 2-3 are safe for UnAms, and so a Previously for Angel is unnecessary.

If we don't have a Previously thread of any kind and only have an Angel thread when Season 5 starts where are we going to talk about past seasons of Angel so that everyone on the board--Americans & UnAmericans--can discuss them?

UnAm

Natter

Buffy

all the above are UnAm safe.

Cindy "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Aug 22, 2003 9:15:12 am PDT

Wolfram - you posted 4 posts after that last one, to say:

To say that there are six threads to discuss Angel previouslies so let's get rid of one of them is unfair.

Wolfram "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Aug 22, 2003 9:58:41 am PDT

What I said actually, over and over again, is that there are 6 threads over all, to discuss Angel, and 2 to 3 of them are safe for UnAms as well as NAFDA types. I was objecting to the mischaracterization that I was saying UnAms could discuss in all 6 threads. I not only didn't say that, I pointed out which of the 6 were UnAm safe. And everyone reading these, uses this board and knows what is and isn't UnAm safe. I felt like you were implying I was pulling a fast one, when I've been quite specific about the number of threads safe for UnAm Angel conversation. It rankled. It felt dirty.

But I don't see why we're slashing any thread we can.

Go back. Read all the posts from Monique and Kristen for the past three or four days in this thread, Bureacracy and BBaBB. We are not panicking (we've been told not to). We've also been told to streamline. Frankly, I'm disgusted so many people are unwilling to do so.

eta...

Wolfram - this was cross-posted with your most recent post above.

There are really only four non-show threads I think should be regarded as untouchable: Natter, Bitches, Atlantic Canadians, and UnAmericans. They all have established cultures.

I agree with this.

The UnAm thread really isn't a show thread. Yes, we could in theory discuss Angel reruns there, or in Natter, or in Buffy, but it would basically be destroying an established and old subcommunity for the sake of consolidation.

I completely agree it is an old and well established subcommunity. I'm not trying to take away from that. It's partly a show thread, in that the description on the first thread page reads:

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

So, while I agree, the thread wasn't developed for the purpose of NAFDAs running in to talk about syndicated re-runs, when people say to me that there's no place where we can talk to the UnAms where they'll be safe, I have to disagree. That's one of the stated purposes of UnAms.

And? If the UnAms (and they very well may not) don't want the discussion of the syndicated reruns in the UnAm thread, is there really enough UnAm interest in the discussion of the syndicated reruns, to keep "Previously" open for the stated purpose of having the discussion UnAm safe?

And? If the UnAms (and they very well may not) don't want the discussion of the syndicated reruns in the UnAm thread, is there really enough UnAm interest in the discussion of the syndicated reruns, to keep "Previously" open for the stated purpose of having the discussion UnAm safe?

I don't agree with the notion that the only reason to keep Previously open is for UnAm safe discussion. That's a benefit, but not the main reason it's nice to have. Also, as the UnAms aren't getting our syndicated reruns, I wouldn't want to have it as the place to discuss those reruns.

I am willing to consolidate. However, what makes the most sense to me is getting rid of quotables (three threads), keeping Buffy and Previously, but adding Angel to the previously thread's description (no gain), closing at least Buffy Spoilage lite (one thread), combining PPO and BF (one thread), and striking Corp and Anthology (two threads). Which is a total of seven threads trimmed.

Okay, not to be the big gray cloud of doom and not to board mom you, but is it possible to just take a breath for a moment. Cindy, it's clear to me you have argued very strongly for one perspective. Wolfram and others have also argues very strongly for a differing perspective.

I'm not sure that either side is convincing the other to reconsider. And honestly, as a somewhat outside observer, I'm not being swayed in one direction or another.

Edited for spelling and to say that Plei and I are of similar minds. I think that the consolidations she mentions (except for Previously where I waffle) are ones that feel like we can live with.

Plei, can you please help me remember. . . Keep Bitchy Fic opened but possibly renamed and close PPO and Anthology. Did I get that correct?

I'm not sure that either side is convincing the other to reconsider. And honestly, as a somewhat outside observer, I'm not being swayed in one direction or another.

You sure have a purty way of saying, "Have some chocolate."