Okay. I suspect I had major disagreements with minimum vote totals as a whole, so I'm probably transferring that disagreement to these posts. Carry on Jon, and thanks.

(We got way too detailed when we did this stuff.)

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But not about the Previously stuff. That can be decided by habit and word of mouth. We can mention in NAFDA Angel, "Hey, there's a great discussion of AYNoHYEB in UnAm right now, AIFG!"

It's just silly to have so many threads where you can discuss old Angel, and hang onto one of them when you're trying to clean house.

Sorry to cereal in these times, but I didn't want Jon to not see this if I added it to the old one, in edit.

Why I think Previously can be cut with minimum pain...

On May 22, 2003, the first post of the day was post number 3498 (by Sophia - hi Sophia!). Fastforward a quarter of a year to yesterday (when the last post was made, by Matt - and hi Matt), and you'll see it is number 3752.

(Okay, now it's Theodosia and number 3753, but the stats aren't really affected.)

A grand total of 254 posts have been made in 3 months (92? days). That rate isn't 3 posts per day. FX airs BtVS in syndication how many times a day? Plus, FOX airs it on weekends? And we don't think this thread is superfluous?

Even if you figure, "It's summer and the board is slower," we have to remember this is the first and only Previously thread since we opened this board last September. There have been 3752 posts in 11 months. What's that come out to - 10 or 11 posts a day?

I'm not saying Previously serves no purpose. I am saying the purpose it serves is small, and specialized in theory, and not used to anything approaching full potential in practice. That's exactly the kind of thread you get rid of when you're housecleaning, especially when (more than one - in fact 6) other threads exist, where the purpose is also allowed to be served. All it takes is a change of habit to do so, and to tell you the truth, it doesn't look like many of us have been slaves to the Previously habit for quite some time.

Yes, but you're not really comparing apples to apples on posting volume. The original Previously thread started on WX the same day as syndication. There were 1079 posts during the first two weeks of syndication, and about 3900 in the first three months. Remember that a large number of people haven't seen the older episodes of Angel in awhile, and will probably want to talk about them when syndication starts. We're not talking about episodes of Buffy that have by now been rerun twenty or thirty times, but Angel episodes that were only been rerun once or twice several years ago.

Remember that a large number of people haven't seen the older episodes of Angel in awhile, and will probably want to talk about them when syndication starts.

Or for Season 1, purchased, watched and dissected when the DVD came out. But the point stands for the later seasons.

Yes, but you're not really comparing apples to apples on posting volume. The original Previously thread started on WX the same day as syndication.

I'm not sure you're comparing apples to apples though, either. Certainly, there are people who haven't seen all Angel episodes and will want to do some catching up, but not at the levels of catching up that was needed for Buffy.

Remember that a large number of people haven't seen the older episodes of Angel in awhile, and will probably want to talk about them when syndication starts.

Your "awhile" is key here. Part of the reason the Buffy syndicated reruns made such a splash is that lot more of the fandom missed out on early seasons of Buffy - because it was new and unique. It wasn't just a matter of not seeing the episodes enough times to feel sated. People hadn't seen two to three (+) years worth of episodes at all. Hell, Angel already has DVDs on the US market. That didn't happen in the US for Buffy until after season 5. Look at the Buffy thread this week. Look at how many conversion stories start in seasons 3 and 4.

Those Buff early-adopters who didn't miss out, were still new fans in a new fandom, and some hadn't been enraptured by a cult TV show before, didn't think - right away at least - to tape Buffy episodes. As is the nature of a spin-off, more people knew about Angel from the buzz it got from Buffy. There's a huge overlap between Buffy and Angel fans. There are some fans who only watch Angel, but even some of those were originally Buffy fans who turned off Buffy for whatever reason. Many/most Angel fans knew about Angel from the get-go, because they watched Buffy and knew of the spin-off. Most Buffy-watching Angel viewers knew enough to give it a chance and watch. Most Buffy-taping Angel viewers knew they were probably going to want to tape it from the start. Angel starts out with fewer people needing to catch up. No. I don't have actual proof of this. But the WB doesn't just not rerun Angel episodes because the WB sucks (which is actually not in dispute :).

There were 1079 posts during the first two weeks of syndication, and about 3900 in the first three months.

Regardless, the UnAm, Angel, and Buffy threads are all moderate volume (in comparison to the slow threads, and in comparison to the crack demon threads of Natter and Bitches - may they live and reign forever and ever). It's not as if these threads are going to go faster than any Buffista thread has ever gone before, because Angel is in reruns. Angel will be in syndication for what - five or six weeks before season 5 premieres in the US? It'll be in syndication for months and months, before season 5 premieres in Australia. There's that 1079, right there, and then some. Your stats make me think not that the thread is needed, but that we thought it would be needed, gave it a shot, but it only served a temporary purpose.

I've yet to see a specific need that Previously fills that isn't already filled in other existing threads. It's niche posting in a time we've been advised to streamline, for a show that has a total of 6 forums clearly open to it, and for a group of episodes safe to openly discuss in any thread on this board, save Press and Beep Me.

It's bad to panic, Dana. Thespis can smell fear.

Yay! That was my tagline on Table Talk for quite a while, and I think it's the one I left up for posterity. Thespis is one of my favorite episodes ever.

When the season 1 Angel disks came out - - was discussion in the Angel thread?

I thought people didn't want new threads because duplicate conversations were going to happen in the same place. It doesn't make sense to create a situation where there's two places to talk about previous Angel episodes when we are trying to keep down traffic on the board.

askye - I am really confused by almost all of your posts on this. I am sure it's just a communication breakdown. I am in favor of not having two threads (in other words not having both an Angel main thread and an any sort of previously thread, but instead, just the Angel main thread).

In response to that, people are saying if we have no Previously, we have no where to discuss past Angel seasons with UnAms. I am saying we already have 6 threads in which Angel is fair game, and at least 2-3 are safe for UnAms, and so a Previously for Angel is unnecessary.

If we don't have a Previously thread of any kind and only have an Angel thread when Season 5 starts where are we going to talk about past seasons of Angel so that everyone on the board--Americans & UnAmericans--can discuss them?

• UnAm
• Natter
• Buffy

all the above are UnAm safe.

Okay, yeah I am confused because I thought we were trying to cut down on places where duplicate conversations might happen.