Does that say the same thing to everyone else, only not using industry jargon, or is there a distinction I'm missing?

That's what I understood the upfront thing to mean, yeah.

I think Jim is looking for a quick and easy definition of 'upfront presentations' as used in:

Oh.

Heh.

Oh but Jim, I modified the wrong version of your proposal. I didn't take the newer version, which specifies the 4 weeks. I do think the 4 weeks should be in there though.

Jim - Trying again...

Unless someone like Kristen says otherwise, how about taking:

That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only, from 4 weeks after the Annual Upfront Presentation or 4 weeks after the previous season finale, whichever is the later. This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

(underlined portions above are the sections we're discussing changing)

and making it:

That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB when they announce their show line-up and show casts for the upcoming television season, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only, from 4 weeks after the announcements or 4 weeks after the previous season finale, whichever is the later. This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

(suggested changes in red font)

edited to include the whole proposal, so that nobody will get the impression the last bit should be left off.

Sorry.

Yes. THis. So, the final final final final proposition is:

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB when they announce their show line-up and show casts for the upcoming television season, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only, from 4 weeks after the announcements or 4 weeks after the previous season finale, whichever is the later. This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

Thread's closed, proposal's final, IIRC Jess is counting votes, so I'll point votes at buffistas.org to her profile address.

Does Raquel post her proposal here first, so we know what we're talking about?

(We kind of have to refresh ourselves on the process every time, don't we?)

I think the discussion would be best served by Raquel submitting a formal proposal. I would take this opportunity to again recommend NOT using whitefont in the thread - open discussion of anything aired, peeps who haven't seen just need to deal - but that rec may just be due to my strong bias that any whitefont language will ultimately be removed after discussion anyway.

What was posted in bureau:

Raquel "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Aug 18, 2003 4:55:14 pm PDT : OK, I'll propose a general TV thread. (edit to clarify: I propose a thread for all TV shows that are not BtVS, Angel, or Firefly).

and what about NAFDA, whitefont, etc?

Raquel "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Aug 18, 2003 5:09:10 pm PDT : I've been pondering. White fonting TV shows doesn't make sense to me, but I know that other folks on the board don't want to be spoiled, esp. for the reality shows. Also the NAFDA factor applies.

How about: NAFDA, anything that was in the previews for an episode is legal, white-font for one week after original air date. If the show is in syndication, no white-fonting necessary.

The requisite seconds have been seconded. We were discussing the whitefont question before we brought the discussion over here.

Raquel, did you have any comments to start us going? Is that roughly the proposal you want to discuss?

Here's my proposal...let 'er rip!

(Edited to remove comment that had been made moot by folks posting faster than I type).

PROPOSAL: I propose the creation of a new thread. This thread will be for the discussion of TV shows, past, present, and future, with the exception of BtVS, Angel, and Firefly. These three Jossian shows can be mentioned, used as reference, etc., in the new TV thread, but the main discussion of them will be held elsewhere. White-font rules used in the home thread for Jossian series will apply to those series in the TV thread. Shows currently airing and in syndication can be discussed in this thread.

The thread will be NAFDA. No white-fonting required, except as above regarding Angel, BtVS, and Firefly. END PROPOSAL

Please note I cheated and changed my proposal from white-font for a week. As I said, white-fonting a TV show makes no sense to me. I was looking out for the TAR folks, but I guess they can argue it for themselves as they choose.

I'm also assuming that only Angel would have white-font rules, as there ain't no more Buffy or Firefly, and this proposed thread is NAFDA. Please correct me if I'm wrong (or give me lots and lots of pets if I'm right ^_^).