2A. I miss discussing the speculation of next season. I would like to speculate, but don't want to be further spoiled so therefore I have avoided the spoiler threads entirely. Which does leave me with no place to actually discuss the show, since the discussion in the Angel thread about next season is not happening in a NAFDA thread.

See, this is why I'm in favor of changing the official spoiler definition. Because, like Plei, I'll just stay in Spoilers if I have to. But other people, who don't want to know plot info, or other really detailed stuff, can't come to Spoilers to discuss the casting info they already know.

And that's a damn shame, seeing as how this is a *discussion* board.

Amych making her "SPIKE'S STATUS IS NOT A SPOILER!" rant.

Oh, the pre-S7 thing? Where we had to create a whole thread just for Spike? Other than Bitches? Yeah.

I'm sure it is no different to the participants in tone than what used to be there. Back when I still read, there used to be total zingers (some from me) because it is frustrating that the onus for keeping someone else pure is on the person already spoiled. That's the rub. You got the information and it feels like you have to either shut up or... well... nothing, that to keep PosterB pure, you have to be the one to do what you don't want to do while blissful PosterB doesn't even realize you can't discuss what you want to discuss.

And, from that side of the divide, there are times when it feels like the unspoiled do take a holier-than-thou stance. It's no wonder that the spoiled kvetch about the unspoiled!

That being said, if it is you they are talking about, then it is upsetting especially if you never realized that you were a source of anger. It makes matters worse because you feel like you don't have access to defend yourself once you realize it because you don't want to spoiled.

Oh, the pre-S7 thing? Where we had to create a whole thread just for Spike? Other than Bitches? Yeah.

A-yup. If you can find it (it might be here, at the beginning, if it's not at WX), it's a thing of beauty.

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Hell, it wasn't really different from someone in Bitches saying "okay, staying out of Natter, how the hell did things get so heated?", only in the rough vernacular we've been using increasingly in that thread. A lot of shit that looks fine in context has been taken at face value and out of context.

Worth repeating. I'm sorry if people have been offended by reading the spoiler thread, but it's not backchannel, it's just a different tone. Really.

(And as to why this particular issue had been hashed out there previously to it being brought before the board in general, well, the issue is spoilers, isn't it? There was no other thread where it could be discussed openly without inadvertantly spoiling people. So I'm not sure what the people who are offended that discussion took place there think should have been done instead.)

I'm not particularly invested in whether or not I have the right to be upset. I'm just saying if you suddenly realized that admins had a separate thread where they said shit like, "BOY! People in Bitches are totally wrongheaded crackpots." I'm thinking when you found out, you'd be pissed.

And, to clarify, I don't even think I'm one of the people that was being discussed and am not personally offended, because I'm fine with the change if it happens.

But I could see where Trudy might have been offended and justifiably. It may not have been done to do anything to her (sorry to talk about you 3rd person, Trudy) but chances are it probably did upset it her.

PMM, isn't that what Spoilage Lite was for S7? It would be at WX, wouldn't it, because we didn't get here until Sept 17 or 19?

Oh, the pre-S7 thing? Where we had to create a whole thread just for Spike? Other than Bitches? Yeah.

OK, refresh my memory - the fact that he got his soul? Was a spoiler after it was announced in the episode? And what new thread?

That being said, if it is you they are talking about, then it is upsetting especially if you never realized that you were a source of anger.

This is where I giggle, because the FIRST things I read in spoilers, when I flipped from pure to impure, was a rant, by someone I like and respect, that pretty much quoted *me* verbatim. And yeah, in retrospect, MAN, I was like an ex-smoker the year I was Pure and Good.

I think we had spoilers, spoilers lite, and spoiled on Spike's status. But I could be talking out of my arse.

OK, refresh my memory - the fact that he got his soul? Was a spoiler after it was announced in the episode? And what new thread?

We knew he got his soul in Grave. But many of us figured out he was still a vampire with a soul. Many others heard that through spoiler channels. Jane E talked openly about it on the Succubus Club (I think) radio interview following the finale. Others figured he was human with a soul. That was the thread you could find out/discuss/speculate on it in, if you didn't want to be spoiled on other things.