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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!

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Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 9:47:59 pm PDT #2233 of 10289

Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Here is the rule:

Q. What do you guys consider a spoiler?

A. Anything that hasn't been broadcast. So anything from the show and the preview trailers is okay, anything from TV Guide or anywhere else is a spoiler, including casting news, episode titles and plot twists. No white fonting. Spoilers should only be posted in the spoiler thread.

Let's follow it to the letter. No drifting to one side, no casting spoilers to the other.

If someone would like to work to change it after September 20th they can.

Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 9:52:47 pm PDT #2234 of 10289

Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

But we never followed it to the letter BEFORE with summer main-cast changes!

Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 9:55:33 pm PDT #2235 of 10289

Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Hey, that's the rule.

Nobody is getting exactly what they want here. If we follow the rule as written we strike a middle ground AND obey the will of the voters.

Elena - Jul 25, 2003 9:59:06 pm PDT #2236 of 10289

Thanks for all the fish.

Susan, I think those were fairly major exceptions to the rule, and covered under the increasingly cryptic 'common knowledge' rule.

Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 10:00:14 pm PDT #2237 of 10289

Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

If we wait till September 20th there won't be any POINT to the change anymore. I bloody well wish I'd voted against the Sept. 20th thing now, because I never meant for it to be applied like this! I feel like a change was railroaded through that I never discussed and never approved of, and now I can't do anything about it.

Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 10:01:01 pm PDT #2238 of 10289

Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Susan, I think those were fairly major exceptions to the rule, and covered under the increasingly cryptic 'common knowledge' rule.

But to me this is the exact same thing! I really don't see the difference.

Elena - Jul 25, 2003 10:03:14 pm PDT #2239 of 10289

Thanks for all the fish.

I've been trying to come to a compromise on this. I really have been. I welcome any and all attempts to have the BCS declared common knowledge...

I just don't want things that aren't as well disseminated to get lumped in, because then I can't play in NAFDA.

Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 10:06:36 pm PDT #2240 of 10289

Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I bloody well wish I'd voted against the Sept. 20th thing now, because I never meant for it to be applied like this!

You only wanted it applied to rules you do like?

Seriously. What do you mean by this?

Elena - Jul 25, 2003 10:11:03 pm PDT #2241 of 10289

Thanks for all the fish.

Trudy has a point - I thought the main reason for the grandfather clause is because we didn't want policies already in place to get picked apart.

Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 10:13:11 pm PDT #2242 of 10289

Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

You only wanted it applied to rules you do like?

Bloody hell. Of course not. I've always wanted a Politics thread, but I'm not agitating to change the 9/20 rule for that one because I don't feel like there was a bait-and-switch what the initial consensus MEANT in that case.

Seriously. What do you mean by this?

I mean that in previous years, the spoiler rules weren't applied to casting changes (or non-changes, in the case of SMG's return in S6) that were announced over the summer. It was an unwritten exception, but a consistent exception nonetheless. Suddenly, this year, the exception no longer exists. That change was never codified or agreed upon in Bureaucracy or by a vote. I feel like the Sept. 20 thing shouldn't apply to cases where we want to clarify an existing rule because (in my perception and many others') the interpretation has drastically changed without any formal discussion.

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