Hey, that's the rule.
Nobody is getting exactly what they want here. If we follow the rule as written we strike a middle ground AND obey the will of the voters.
Home schooling? You know, it's not just for scary religious people anymore.
Buffy ,'Beneath You'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 9:55:33 pm PDT #2235 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Elena - Jul 25, 2003 9:59:06 pm PDT #2236 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.
Susan, I think those were fairly major exceptions to the rule, and covered under the increasingly cryptic 'common knowledge' rule.
Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 10:00:14 pm PDT #2237 of 10289
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
If we wait till September 20th there won't be any POINT to the change anymore. I bloody well wish I'd voted against the Sept. 20th thing now, because I never meant for it to be applied like this! I feel like a change was railroaded through that I never discussed and never approved of, and now I can't do anything about it.
Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 10:01:01 pm PDT #2238 of 10289
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Susan, I think those were fairly major exceptions to the rule, and covered under the increasingly cryptic 'common knowledge' rule.
But to me this is the exact same thing! I really don't see the difference.
Elena - Jul 25, 2003 10:03:14 pm PDT #2239 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.
I've been trying to come to a compromise on this. I really have been. I welcome any and all attempts to have the BCS declared common knowledge...
I just don't want things that aren't as well disseminated to get lumped in, because then I can't play in NAFDA.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 10:06:36 pm PDT #2240 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I bloody well wish I'd voted against the Sept. 20th thing now, because I never meant for it to be applied like this!
You only wanted it applied to rules you do like?
Seriously. What do you mean by this?
Elena - Jul 25, 2003 10:11:03 pm PDT #2241 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.
Trudy has a point - I thought the main reason for the grandfather clause is because we didn't want policies already in place to get picked apart.
Susan W. - Jul 25, 2003 10:13:11 pm PDT #2242 of 10289
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
You only wanted it applied to rules you do like?
Bloody hell. Of course not. I've always wanted a Politics thread, but I'm not agitating to change the 9/20 rule for that one because I don't feel like there was a bait-and-switch what the initial consensus MEANT in that case.
Seriously. What do you mean by this?
I mean that in previous years, the spoiler rules weren't applied to casting changes (or non-changes, in the case of SMG's return in S6) that were announced over the summer. It was an unwritten exception, but a consistent exception nonetheless. Suddenly, this year, the exception no longer exists. That change was never codified or agreed upon in Bureaucracy or by a vote. I feel like the Sept. 20 thing shouldn't apply to cases where we want to clarify an existing rule because (in my perception and many others') the interpretation has drastically changed without any formal discussion.
Kristen - Jul 25, 2003 10:16:10 pm PDT #2243 of 10289
But the problem is that while the "law" may have been written one way, it has previously been interpreted a different way. So then they could both be grandfathered decisions.
If the FAQ truly falls under grandfathering, we shouldn't be having this debate.
On the other hand, if the precedent falls under grandfathering, this debate is moot because the casting spoilers in question can be discussed right now in NAFDA threads.
Elena - Jul 25, 2003 10:17:57 pm PDT #2244 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.
If the FAQ truly falls under grandfathering, we shouldn't be having this debate.
That's what we're trying to determine.
On the other hand, if the precedent falls under grandfathering, this debate is moot because the casting spoilers in question can be discussed right now in NAFDA threads.
This is not so clear, because the precedents don't, in my opinion, count as policy.