Amy, when you're part of the object of that frustration (well, the barrier to what everyone onthread wants to happen), it's very easy to take it all very personally.
Everybody dies, Tracey. Someone's carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it. The trick is to die of old age before it finds you.
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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:03:47 pm PDT #2139 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:05:38 pm PDT #2140 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
The question up for vote, as it stands, IS about the shift.
The casting elephant has not been broadcast in promo or episode. It is a spoiler under current definition, regardless of shifting.
In the past similar (though not nearly so epic and intreiguing) casting news has been discussed pre-season. Even though they were, by letter of the law, spoilers nobody objected since their impact wasn't that big a deal.
Burrell - Jul 25, 2003 7:06:17 pm PDT #2141 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
It looks like people on both sides feel marginalised, while neither feel like they're marginalising.
As it stands, the proposal will make certain threads untenable for some people. This is making some folks tetchy.
The Phoenix has gotten more and more spoiler-restrictive over more of its breadth, and this is also tetchmaking.
This is a good summation of the frustrations that I am seeing here as well. I'm not seeing a resolution yet that will make most people happy. But maybe one way to start is to shift the discussion here to discovering what *is* the common ground--what can we all agree upon--and then to finding a solution that is most acceptable to most people.
brenda m - Jul 25, 2003 7:09:33 pm PDT #2142 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
A report on the movie, in thread like Hey, anyone catch that Charisma is going to be in See Jane Date on Sunday? should not need tagging or white font. To be clear.
ITA on this. Have you seen something like this? (Not snarking, an honest question.) But that's a start in getting some things identified that we are in agreement on.
I have been reading the spoiler thread. Much discussion of coriander, basil, and cilantro. There is frustration, but I wouldn't say contempt - at all.
Sadly, I don't agree, and I find it both upsetting and mystifying.
Laura - Jul 25, 2003 7:11:16 pm PDT #2143 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.
I’d appreciate it if you could find a solution overnight because it is the hour for me to retire to bed with book and sake. I have 4 kids here tonight and I need to get them settled down. Night all.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 25, 2003 7:13:43 pm PDT #2144 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
by letter of the law
OK - this can't help but be unpleasant, but which law? If it's the Phoenix FAQ, or other board law, from what I saw (and I lurked a LONG time before I posted) then that was the bullshit consensus law. Which is WHAT THIS VOTE IS TRYING TO CHANGE. Sorry for the asscaps, but, ya know, get the votes and put the question down. Why is that an issue?
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:14:14 pm PDT #2145 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Can I be confident in extrapolating that not only is the definition of spoiler an issue here, but how far this will extend? That Trudy, for instance, won't be comfortable in Bitchy Fic or Bitches under the new definition?
Yes.
If people are discussing non-broadcasted content in Bitches I don't know that I would hang out there.
Here is our policy as-is:
Q. What do you guys consider a spoiler?
A. Anything that hasn't been broadcast. So anything from the show and the preview trailers is okay, anything from TV Guide or anywhere else is a spoiler, including casting news, episode titles and plot twists. No white fonting. Spoilers should only be posted in the spoiler thread.
What, specifically, is objectionable to various people?
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:17:45 pm PDT #2146 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Since the rule has stood since early Table Talk, I think declaring it the bullshit consensus law is inaccurate.
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:19:16 pm PDT #2147 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
All laws before voting are "bullshit consensus" laws, though, aren't they? It's just the definition I've been using for "bullshit consensus" -- which isn't functioning as a judgment on said rules, just a marker in time.
DavidS - Jul 25, 2003 7:20:22 pm PDT #2148 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I'm all for letting the vote decide after hearing viewpoints
Kind of where I'm at. I'll note that I got off the main threads and put most of my show-response writing in Spoilers because I got tired of keeping track of the spoiler-line. I wanted to talk about events on both shows and that became impossible. I wanted to speculate about the new season with cast changes and that became impossible. So, I've already left the show threads to accomodate a heightened spoiler sensitivity which has not always been the defining standard on our boards.
It's too constricting as it is now. My opinion. I'll be voting to ease it up because I'd rather be able to discuss Angel on the Angel thread. If the current proposal gets shot down I'll just stick to the Spoiler thread.