Plei, we give back the shift, promise.

Let's take the policy as it stands and discuss it from there.

As far as I see the problem that's being argued is that the shift has already happened, and the spoiler-phobes are arguing against it's reinstatement. The question up for vote, as it stands, IS about the shift.

Am I wrong on this?

Can I be confident in extrapolating that not only is the definition of spoiler an issue here, but how far this will extend? That Trudy, for instance, won't be comfortable in Bitchy Fic or Bitches under the new definition?

I can say that I would not be comfortable in any NAFDA thread under the new definition.

I don't know if you read the spoiler thread. I do not believe that it's unintentional or a misunderstanding.

Umm, do you? Because I do, and I see there a fair bit of frustration, much like what you'll see in this discussion, but not contempt.

Burrell, I don't know if you read the spoiler thread. I do not believe that it's unintentional or a misunderstanding.

I don't read the main spoiler thread, just Spoilage Lite. There is no discussion of the unspoiled whatsoever in SL, FWIW, just speculation about the shows.

I also misunderstood you in that I assumed that you were referring to what people said here in Light Bulbs, and I didn't read any contemptuous remarks here. It never occured to me to speculate about what is said in a thread I don't read.

Umm, do you? Because I do, and I see there a fair bit of frustration, much like what you'll see in this discussion, but not contempt.

Our mileages clearly vary on this. I have read part of the spoiler thread after the fact, and have been informed of more recent discussions there, but warned to stay away from them.

Amy, when you're part of the object of that frustration (well, the barrier to what everyone onthread wants to happen), it's very easy to take it all very personally.

The question up for vote, as it stands, IS about the shift.

The casting elephant has not been broadcast in promo or episode. It is a spoiler under current definition, regardless of shifting.

In the past similar (though not nearly so epic and intreiguing) casting news has been discussed pre-season. Even though they were, by letter of the law, spoilers nobody objected since their impact wasn't that big a deal.

It looks like people on both sides feel marginalised, while neither feel like they're marginalising.

As it stands, the proposal will make certain threads untenable for some people. This is making some folks tetchy.

The Phoenix has gotten more and more spoiler-restrictive over more of its breadth, and this is also tetchmaking.

This is a good summation of the frustrations that I am seeing here as well. I'm not seeing a resolution yet that will make most people happy. But maybe one way to start is to shift the discussion here to discovering what *is* the common ground--what can we all agree upon--and then to finding a solution that is most acceptable to most people.

A report on the movie, in thread like Hey, anyone catch that Charisma is going to be in See Jane Date on Sunday? should not need tagging or white font. To be clear.

ITA on this. Have you seen something like this? (Not snarking, an honest question.) But that's a start in getting some things identified that we are in agreement on.

I have been reading the spoiler thread. Much discussion of coriander, basil, and cilantro. There is frustration, but I wouldn't say contempt - at all.

Sadly, I don't agree, and I find it both upsetting and mystifying.

I’d appreciate it if you could find a solution overnight because it is the hour for me to retire to bed with book and sake. I have 4 kids here tonight and I need to get them settled down. Night all.