Where'd they get CAT scan from?... I mean, did they test it on cats? Or does the machine sort of look like a cat?

Dawn ,'Sleeper'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Katie M - Jul 25, 2003 12:54:01 pm PDT #2019 of 10289
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Wouldn't that be a *major* change to our spoiler policy? So far, interviews with spoily info are noted as such, at least in Spoilage Lite, which is the only place I'm willing to tread for spoiler confirmation.

Well, but it's only for a) changes in the regular cast that b) are announced between-seasons.

So we could still have discussed Giles' departure, since that was officially announced over the summer, but we couldn't have discussed Angel's until after Graduation Day... oh wait. Never mind, that's not true, different example. We couldn't have discussed Riley's departure until after Into the Woods aired, because that wasn't officially announced over the summer.


Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 12:54:44 pm PDT #2020 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

"officially published by the netword or the production company".

What, in the WB Times? It isn't clear at all.

"That was an un-named source" "That was from a fansite!" etc. And we'd already be spoiled.

I personally like the promo limitation because it's so clear and easy to follow, you know? There's no grey area. Promo has been shown including X fact or it hasn't. Plus, it's the rule I "grew up with" when I went spoilerfree after S4 Buffy, so it's what I'm used to.

Yes. This.

Forget about the anit-spoiler drift etc. If we give up this as a policy a bunch of people are going to have to unsub massively.


Burrell - Jul 25, 2003 12:55:33 pm PDT #2021 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Except for the part where I don't know if the rest of the casting news I know qualifies for discussion or not. How is that overthinking?

Okay, if it were me? I would just decide that, if I can't decide, it's still too spoilery. I would assume most of us would come to the same conclusion. Granted, I'm making assumptions here, but so are you. It's just you seem to assume that this proposal would lead to major spoiler leakage and I'm not convinced it will.


Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 12:57:58 pm PDT #2022 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Granted, I'm making assumptions here

That's the essence of the problem. "Aired in show or promo" doesn't have this problem.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 25, 2003 12:59:01 pm PDT #2023 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

"Officially published by the network."

I think that is a really big change. I would further amend that to "In the summer hiatus"


§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 12:59:18 pm PDT #2024 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's just you seem to assume that this proposal would lead to major spoiler leakage and I'm not convinced it will.

No, I'm not.

I just think that we may have 15 people with 20 different assumptions about what counts, and how to work out what counts.

I'm trying to narrow it down to two or three. Which are "don't say anything about it, then", "ask Plei", and "use GoogleNews".

I think the first one is weird, since .. why not? I don't cruise network release spots -- there's pretty much no way in my day to day I'd find out. Second one -- pretty clear. Third one -- there'll probably be spoilage of the person searching.

But since not everyone here even agrees on what "wide" is .. it's obvious it's not obvious.


Sean K - Jul 25, 2003 12:59:53 pm PDT #2025 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

"Officially published by the network."

Check me on this, but I would read this as not including interviews, so that Joss talking about it all summer does not allow us to talk about it, but ads, posters, promos, and radio spots do allow us to talk about it.

If that is the case, that definition would have very specific repercussions on which of the upcoming AtS casting changes we can talk about.

I'm happy with this definition. And it makes it as specifically quantifiable factor as "on air promo" so we don't have to deal with anything vague like "widely known."


Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 1:06:18 pm PDT #2026 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

HOW would "officially published by the network" be determined?

I'm telling you, it's a logistical nightmare.

And if the website is included that means Tim shouldn't have been upset about Lorne's head on a platter. Silly Tim!


Sean K - Jul 25, 2003 1:09:00 pm PDT #2027 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I would also read "officially published by the network (during the summer hiatus)" as only including offical copy on thewb.com* for the show page.

(*or applicable network page)

Discussion boards, warnerbros.com, fan sites, none of those would count. Interviews would not count, but ad copy, including quotes, would.

Just as quantifiable as "on air promo," and actually doesn't all that radically change the current policy or definition, as far as I can see.


Burrell - Jul 25, 2003 1:11:45 pm PDT #2028 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

But since not everyone here even agrees on what "wide" is .. it's obvious it's not obvious.

If the proposal used as vague a term as “wide,” I’d be in total agreement with you and very firmly against this new proposal. But it doesn’t, it specifies:

That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox, the WB or ME in press advertising or their official website, are no longer spoilers

I feel that a straightforward reading of these lines ("advertising" = advertisements; official websites != fansites) leaves little to no room for misunderstanding.

Just to put my biases in the open: My personal position is that I dislike the current level of spoiler sensitivity, but do not find it an overall impediment to enjoying the discussion on the board. Hence, I am not willing to support a change that would substantially change the board's spoiler policy, even though I am in disagreement with it. I'm just not convinced it's been adequately demonstrated that this change would do that.