I really think the proposal is in danger of getting more and more complicated. Major, not minor, characters. Summer, not fall or winter or spring. GoogleNews, not Google. Unspoken-but-agreed-upon news sources in unspoken-but-agreed-upon major markets. If 98.7% of Buffistas including lurkers are presumed to know, but of course we can't ask them because then we'd spoil them....
And not to mention all the veiled stuff all day today about which specific unnamed people will have to avoid which threads on which dates.
Let me restate my earlier point, this time as a proposal:
Change "aired on the WB, including promos"
to
"Officially published by the network."
That covers promos, the WB website, posters in bus shelters, full-page ads in TV Guide. It doesn't include "stuff you heard at a con" or "this interview on a spoiler site but it's not
too
spoilery." It's a clear, bright line. It is -- and this is a crucial point -- extensible to other shows and networks, not just the WB on October 8th, 2003. The point-and-shrug simplicity is still there. But it'll ease up considerably on the feeling a lot of people have had that they're afraid to say anything lest they slip up.
(Not to mention the part where the bastages never bother to air promos for our shows mumblegrumbleoppressedfancakes.)
Here's the original version, Burrell:
"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox, the WB or ME in press advertising or their official website, are no longer spoilers, and should be discussed in the show threads. This includes cast additions or departures. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."
The changes that - Cindy? - suggested were all to do with summer timing and clarification of where you wouldn't be able to discuss things, if I remember correctly.
I suppose it depends on how you define "press advertising." I was defining it as "someone official says something to the press, knowing perfectly well they'll be quoted."
It looks like I upset you, Cindy, and I didn't mean to.
No, really you didn't. Or at worst, I was upset when I started but got interrupted so many times, I wasn't by the time I was finished. I'm sorry it came across in my post. Mostly though, I "WOW"d at you, because I thought I upset you and didn't mean to. I thought that admittedly, because I took the pref. voting thing as a dig, but I understand now that it wasn't. Apologies not necessary, ita.
The point I was going for was that it keeps (and those were just the two cites that popped up while I was at lunch, both from the same POV) being mentioned how other people feel. But I think we just have to take Elena/Jess/whoever's word for it, if they say they like/need/disdain the HSQ, and where they find the HSQ lives.
I agree we have to take people's word on that. I'm just not getting where that there is an actual one wrt major casting changes, given that it's already accepted we'll talk about this stuff once promos air. I feel like (and I could be very wrong) this is as much about resisting a change, as it is about a true worry about being spoiled, because it seems to me, all that happens is the subject is open yes - sooner - but still before an episode ever airs.
And I have to admit, I'm confused by the idea that one person can be a regular on two shows at once, but there you go.
Me, too.
As for vector=method - well then, I think I answered the question, but I went on so long, I don't know how much my answer answered.
"Officially published by the network."
That is clear and simple.
"officially published by the netword or the production company".
still clear and simple.
How do you know the info is slim before you search, though?
I hate to say it, but I think you may be overthinking this one. I really don't see the vagueness in the original proposal.
I suppose it depends on how you define "press advertising." I was defining it as "someone official says something to the press, knowing perfectly well they'll be quoted."
Wouldn't that be a *major* change to our spoiler policy? So far, interviews with spoily info are noted as such, at least in Spoilage Lite, which is the only place I'm willing to tread for spoiler confirmation.
I would define "press advertising" as an advertisement.
I think you may be overthinking this one.
Except for the part where I don't know if the rest of the casting news I know qualifies for discussion or not. How is that overthinking?
