whose reality is more valid?

Ick. No one's. Whose will be accomodated -- that's a whole nother kettle of fish.

I guess I just feel like we're descending into Whoever Complains the Most Gets Their Way, and I don't want to see either side go through that.

And I think there may be a perception that this was how the current spoiler consensus was reached in the first place on the spoiled side.

I think however this resolves, even if it doesn't come to a vote, that somebody is going to be unhappy. However, I think it should come to a vote just to get this issue resolved one way or t'other. And, no, I don't think it was resolved when the current spoiler consensus was implemented.

Calling it a spoiler, TO ME, is like calling it a spoiler that in a mystery, the detective will solve the murder, or in a romance, a couple will pair off happily.

Yes! This!

This is how much of a non-issue I think main cast casting news is. Susan nailed it exactly.

Elena, does that maybe help you understand why some of us are frustrated at the thought of having to go into Spoilers or Spoilers light to discuss something that, TO US (admittedly) seems like having to go into one of those threads to say that "A:tS is a show about a broody vampire."

Okay - It's old news to us. We would like to talk about it.

Please do not take this in anyway as a slam, because it's not. It's a valid question that I'd love to hear your answer on... What about those for whom it is news? Where do they go to talk about the show and still avoid the news?

So my question becomes: whose reality is more valid? Because that's pretty much what we're talking about now.

Everyone's reality is valid. I don't see how that's the question we're trying to answer.

Does your virginness trump my knowledge? Does my knowledge trump your virginness?

Respect for each other's views trumps everything. It always has.

How do we decide? The group that there's more of? The group that will get the most upset?

We've traditionally erred on the side of caution, because once you are spoiled you can't get unspoiled.

I realise you don't think these are spoilers. I'll tell you right now that I certainly do, and was most distressed to be spoiled.

When Cindy made her comment, was AtS even picked up? I can't remember if she made it pre-or-post.

(And around that time period, everyone, pretty much, was being floated as a possible. Other than the occasional signed on the dotted line contract, spoilers immediate post-season are just speculation from things the actors or writers have mentioned, taken out of context, and elaborated on. In other words, they are the monkeys with typewriters of Spoilers: they could in theory produce an accurate spoiler, but you're more likely to win the lottery.)

Ick. No one's. Whose will be accomodated -- that's a whole nother kettle of fish.

Right, exactly. That's all I was trying to say with that statement, ita.

I don't think either of our realities is more valid, but it feels like that's what this discussion has become about, and naturally, emotions are going to flare when that happens.

Everyone's reality is valid. I don't see how that's the question we're trying to answer.

I don't think that's the question we should be trying to answer, either. It's just that when I woke up this morning, it felt like the fairly rational discussion we were having yesterday has become a much more emotional one overnight.

I cross posted with you, Sean.

Elena, does that maybe help you understand why some of us are frustrated at the thought of having to go into Spoilers or Spoilers light to discuss something that, TO US (admittedly) seems like having to go into one of those threads to say that "A:tS is a show about a broody vampire."

I understand that people are frustrated. I understand that they are upset and angry. I even understand why people are frustrated.

I'm still waiting to hear why it's okay to potentially spoil a bunch of people who do consider the news a spoiler. And if it becomes clear that it really is common knowledge then I have absolutely no objections.

I have no idea how the casting news (which I'm perfectly happy to know) is anywhere on the level of "Angel is broody". That's got to be dramatic license, or summat. It's surety is completely underivable from existing canon.

Though it's not like we know Angel will continue to be broody or not, so there's that.

It's just that when I woke up this morning, it felt like the fairly rational discussion we were having yesterday has become a much more emotional one overnight.

I might take offense at being characterised as emotional rather than rational... But I won't.

I was upset at being spoiled. I'm advocating for those who are still unspoiled so they won't be upset. The people who are in the know are upset, frustrated, angry, etc. They are advocating that they be allowed to freely discuss this to ameliorate their frustration, etc. I just want to make sure it's not going to be at the expense of the unspoiled.