So actually the current proposal is midway between Sean's position (no casting spoilers are spoilers) and Vortex (all casting spoilers are spoilers - even if aired in promos.) So the current proposal is a compromise, dead center, halfway between the two extremes...
Can't any one of your damn little Scooby club at least try to remember that I hate you all?
Spike ,'Get It Done'
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Typo Boy - Jul 24, 2003 11:17:03 am PDT #1650 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Lyra Jane - Jul 24, 2003 11:24:35 am PDT #1651 of 10289
Up with the sun
I guess casting spoilers, even the surprise guests, don't count for me as this sort of information appears in the Trades months ahead of time.
I also don't think casting spoilers are spoilers, because they a) usually are widely publicized and b)don't tell us anything significant about the plot. But that's always been a minority opinion among the Buffistas.
And Gar, yeah, it is a pretty compromisey proposal, but I think they all have been.
Sophia Brooks - Jul 24, 2003 11:31:29 am PDT #1652 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
My concern isn't necessarily the big spoiler but "spoilers" like knowing that any person who has ever been on Buffy or Angel has another job, which means that they won't be showing up. It is sort of weird.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 24, 2003 11:35:58 am PDT #1653 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
My concern isn't necessarily the big spoiler but "spoilers" like knowing that any person who has ever been on Buffy or Angel has another job, which means that they won't be showing up. It is sort of weird.
And some people have been on multiple shows on different networks. Chris Meloni comes to mind. I was originally going to say Edie Falco, but those are both HBO.
Wolfram - Jul 24, 2003 11:41:22 am PDT #1654 of 10289
Visilurking
I also don't think casting spoilers are spoilers, because they a) usually are widely publicized and b)don't tell us anything significant about the plot. But that's always been a minority opinion among the Buffistas.
That's why we have spoilage lite. But to expand the rule so all main cast changes are not even spoilage lite, may end up during S5 or S6 or S7 divulging some huge plot points. We all know what's driving this particular proposal, and I think we should greenlight this spoiler without restructuring the spoiler policy.
Michele T. - Jul 24, 2003 11:52:08 am PDT #1655 of 10289
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Between Pylea and S3, once we knew Fred would be a regular, did we discuss her in the main Angel thread? Because that's exactly the kind of situation this proposal covers.
Not only did we discuss her, we put an animated icon of her with her bloody fist on the board.
If we can say "over the summer cast changes are not spoilers," that'll handle the people who want mid-season HSQ from plot changes.
Steph L. - Jul 24, 2003 11:55:15 am PDT #1656 of 10289
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Not only did we discuss her, we put an animated icon of her with her bloody fist on the board.
Oh, yeah!
(Now I know what icon I want to see....)
§ ita § - Jul 24, 2003 11:57:13 am PDT #1657 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
we put an animated icon of her with her bloody fist on the board
As the person who created the icon, I can safely say it had nothing to do with her regular status-to-be, so I'm not sure that's relelvant.
Didn't Tim come by and tell us, anyway?
Java cat - Jul 24, 2003 12:03:24 pm PDT #1658 of 10289
Not javachik
Just weighing in on the side of, if it's been aired somewhere in promos, it's no longer a spoiler.
§ ita § - Jul 24, 2003 12:16:47 pm PDT #1659 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
if it's been aired somewhere in promos, it's no longer a spoiler.
Which is the standard position. The suggestion is that regular cast changes which have been promoted by the network or creative team are also no longer a spoiler.