My concern isn't necessarily the big spoiler but "spoilers" like knowing that any person who has ever been on Buffy or Angel has another job, which means that they won't be showing up. It is sort of weird.
Wow, you've really mastered the power of positive giving-up.
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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Sophia Brooks - Jul 24, 2003 11:31:29 am PDT #1652 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Frankenbuddha - Jul 24, 2003 11:35:58 am PDT #1653 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
My concern isn't necessarily the big spoiler but "spoilers" like knowing that any person who has ever been on Buffy or Angel has another job, which means that they won't be showing up. It is sort of weird.
And some people have been on multiple shows on different networks. Chris Meloni comes to mind. I was originally going to say Edie Falco, but those are both HBO.
Wolfram - Jul 24, 2003 11:41:22 am PDT #1654 of 10289
Visilurking
I also don't think casting spoilers are spoilers, because they a) usually are widely publicized and b)don't tell us anything significant about the plot. But that's always been a minority opinion among the Buffistas.
That's why we have spoilage lite. But to expand the rule so all main cast changes are not even spoilage lite, may end up during S5 or S6 or S7 divulging some huge plot points. We all know what's driving this particular proposal, and I think we should greenlight this spoiler without restructuring the spoiler policy.
Michele T. - Jul 24, 2003 11:52:08 am PDT #1655 of 10289
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Between Pylea and S3, once we knew Fred would be a regular, did we discuss her in the main Angel thread? Because that's exactly the kind of situation this proposal covers.
Not only did we discuss her, we put an animated icon of her with her bloody fist on the board.
If we can say "over the summer cast changes are not spoilers," that'll handle the people who want mid-season HSQ from plot changes.
Steph L. - Jul 24, 2003 11:55:15 am PDT #1656 of 10289
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Not only did we discuss her, we put an animated icon of her with her bloody fist on the board.
Oh, yeah!
(Now I know what icon I want to see....)
§ ita § - Jul 24, 2003 11:57:13 am PDT #1657 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
we put an animated icon of her with her bloody fist on the board
As the person who created the icon, I can safely say it had nothing to do with her regular status-to-be, so I'm not sure that's relelvant.
Didn't Tim come by and tell us, anyway?
Java cat - Jul 24, 2003 12:03:24 pm PDT #1658 of 10289
Not javachik
Just weighing in on the side of, if it's been aired somewhere in promos, it's no longer a spoiler.
§ ita § - Jul 24, 2003 12:16:47 pm PDT #1659 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
if it's been aired somewhere in promos, it's no longer a spoiler.
Which is the standard position. The suggestion is that regular cast changes which have been promoted by the network or creative team are also no longer a spoiler.
Vortex - Jul 24, 2003 12:29:10 pm PDT #1660 of 10289
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Thanks for those who were kind enough to see my point, and then DISAGREE WITH ME!!! :)
Someone said that they felt like this proposal was about BCS, and I can see their point (ha!) I think that we should grant a one time exception to BCS (because _everybody_ knows about it), and keep the rest of the casting spoilers to Spoilage Lite.
The problem, as I see it, would be that we would talk about BCS, someone would inevitably say "how do you think that it will happen", and someone may inadvertently throw a spoiler in there, thinking that now that the BCS is out of the bag, it's open season. But, I am willing to trust in the integrity of the Buffistas.
Laura - Jul 24, 2003 12:34:46 pm PDT #1661 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.
Jumping to the end because I am not really here. I'm really working.
If the network and/or creative team tell me something I do not consider it spoils. Also, it adds to my discussion pleasure to include speculation in the show threads on how casting changes might be handled.
Outta here again.