It's on the Zap2it article about the new season as a midseason replacement on Fox.

All Minear, all the time. I expect Tim will have his manly fists in various and sundry things while this board lives.

When does voting start on the grandpappy proposal? Tuesday night at midnight or Wednesday night at midnight?

All Minear, all the time. I expect Tim will have his manly fists in various and sundry things while this board lives.

And by that would you mean porn?

But Allyson does have a point. There was some debate going on as the need of the Grandfather Proposal, and to how long it would cover. And then the discussion kinda fizzled out without coming to any kind of meaningful conclusion.

That's up to Betsy and her final proposal (which is due either Tuesday or Wednesday night at midnight).

Could I ask someone to please re-explain the propsed grandfather clause, in simpler terms? I've read the proposal in Press, and the discussion here, but I still don't understand what it would DO, if it were passed.

Doesn't do much of anything, Steph. It just stops us from bringing up anything decided through consensus for a vote for a certain number of months.

The proposal was made after Wolfram asked for a War thread, which many people felt had been firmly decided.

In theory, without this measure in place, things like the Movies thread would be up for a vote.

I'm about to repropose it in its current form, Steph.

In the meantime, the basic idea is that we ratify the old decisions: like new decisions, they can't be reopened for six months. As Lyra says, this was prompted by Wolfram's request for the War thread. So the immediate cause is now moot, but I think the proposal is still worthwhile. Voters may disagree.

In theory, without this measure in place, things like the Movies thread would be up for a vote.

Only if someone proposed it again and it got the requisite seconds.

In a nutshell, a yes vote on this proposal would consider all decisions made prior to the institution of the voting rules as if they were decided using the rules, and subject those decisions to the appropriate moratorium.

A no vote on this proposal would not consider any pre-voting decisions as if they were made under the voting rules, and therefore they would not be subject to the moratorium (and able to be re-proposed immediately if someone wanted to do that.)

Common sense dictates that not all decisions regarding the functioning of this board are "voteable" or subject to proposal/discussion/voting. Whether this proposal passes or not it does not in any way affect what pre-voting decisions are "voteable" and what are not. The only thing this proposal determines is when pre-voting decisions that are "voteable" may be proposed again.

Only if someone proposed it again and it got the requisite seconds.

Hence the "theoretically," Wolf. :-)