When does voting start on the grandpappy proposal? Tuesday night at midnight or Wednesday night at midnight?
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We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Jon B. - May 18, 2003 4:46:52 pm PDT #1352 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Burrell - May 18, 2003 5:36:32 pm PDT #1353 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
All Minear, all the time. I expect Tim will have his manly fists in various and sundry things while this board lives.
And by that would you mean porn?
But Allyson does have a point. There was some debate going on as the need of the Grandfather Proposal, and to how long it would cover. And then the discussion kinda fizzled out without coming to any kind of meaningful conclusion.
Jon B. - May 18, 2003 5:53:35 pm PDT #1354 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
That's up to Betsy and her final proposal (which is due either Tuesday or Wednesday night at midnight).
Steph L. - May 18, 2003 8:48:21 pm PDT #1355 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Could I ask someone to please re-explain the propsed grandfather clause, in simpler terms? I've read the proposal in Press, and the discussion here, but I still don't understand what it would DO, if it were passed.
Lyra Jane - May 19, 2003 6:34:31 am PDT #1356 of 10289
Up with the sun
Doesn't do much of anything, Steph. It just stops us from bringing up anything decided through consensus for a vote for a certain number of months.
The proposal was made after Wolfram asked for a War thread, which many people felt had been firmly decided.
In theory, without this measure in place, things like the Movies thread would be up for a vote.
Betsy HP - May 19, 2003 9:59:31 am PDT #1357 of 10289
If I only had a brain...
I'm about to repropose it in its current form, Steph.
In the meantime, the basic idea is that we ratify the old decisions: like new decisions, they can't be reopened for six months. As Lyra says, this was prompted by Wolfram's request for the War thread. So the immediate cause is now moot, but I think the proposal is still worthwhile. Voters may disagree.
Wolfram - May 19, 2003 10:03:24 am PDT #1358 of 10289
Visilurking
In theory, without this measure in place, things like the Movies thread would be up for a vote.
Only if someone proposed it again and it got the requisite seconds.
In a nutshell, a yes vote on this proposal would consider all decisions made prior to the institution of the voting rules as if they were decided using the rules, and subject those decisions to the appropriate moratorium.
A no vote on this proposal would not consider any pre-voting decisions as if they were made under the voting rules, and therefore they would not be subject to the moratorium (and able to be re-proposed immediately if someone wanted to do that.)
Common sense dictates that not all decisions regarding the functioning of this board are "voteable" or subject to proposal/discussion/voting. Whether this proposal passes or not it does not in any way affect what pre-voting decisions are "voteable" and what are not. The only thing this proposal determines is when pre-voting decisions that are "voteable" may be proposed again.
Lyra Jane - May 19, 2003 10:05:58 am PDT #1359 of 10289
Up with the sun
Only if someone proposed it again and it got the requisite seconds.
Hence the "theoretically," Wolf. :-)
Betsy HP - May 19, 2003 10:15:28 am PDT #1360 of 10289
If I only had a brain...
as if they were decided using the rules
Wolfram, they were decided using the rules then in force.
I become angry when you suggest that everything that happened before voting was instituted was somehow illegitimate. This may be my cross to bear.
Nutty - May 19, 2003 10:16:37 am PDT #1361 of 10289
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Whether this proposal passes or not it does not in any way affect what pre-voting decisions are "voteable" and what are not. The only thing this proposal determines is when pre-voting decisions that are "voteable" may be proposed again.
Right. That's the part that I want to emphasize. We're not talking about changing what may be voted on; that's all secure as-is. We're talking about what, among the things that may be voted on, may be voted on now, and what must wait its turn till X months from now.