Spike: We got a history, him and me. Fred: What? Spike: It was a long time ago. He was a young Watcher, fresh out of the academy when we crossed paths. It was a, what-you-call battle of wills and blood was spilled. Vendettas were sworn. It was a whole-- Fred: My God you're so full of crap. Spike: Yeah. Okay.

'Unleashed'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Burrell - May 16, 2003 1:13:55 pm PDT #1316 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Also, I recommend making it clear in the proposal that if this vote fails to pass, all decisions will be up for discussion whenever someone proposes it.

Just to play the clarification game, even beyond the moratorium, this would be the case. In other words, I would not expect us to reconsider every decision the day that its voting moratorium was up.


Wolfram - May 16, 2003 1:18:38 pm PDT #1317 of 10289
Visilurking

Just to play the clarification game, even beyond the moratorium, this would be the case. In other words, I would not expect us to reconsider every decision the day that its voting moratorium was up.

Unless some insane midnight proposer what proposes at midnight tried to make all the Buffistas' heads explode.


Cindy - May 16, 2003 1:21:37 pm PDT #1318 of 10289
Nobody

Burrell, no - we're not reconsidering everything. We can't reconsider anything until that time has passed.

The purpose of the moratorium is to provide quiet time. It works thusly: We have our discussion; we make our decision (vote); then the moratorium makes those who were unhappy with the results hold their peace (is that piece?) for 6 months. Hopefully, there's not going to be too much. A general TV thread or a war thread are the only real clinkers I can think of.

I understand thinking that going from decision date is clunky, but it's only clunky if someone wants to actually re-open things. Voting and explanation-wise for grandfathering, it's actually simpler. All the proposal has to state is that issues decided before we started voting are grandfathered in under the 6 month moratorium rule, meaning they are closed for a minimum of 6 months after a decision has been made.

If someone wants to re-open an issue that we closed before we voted, the onus is on that someone to prove it's been six months since it got shot down the first time (i.e. nilly the original decision).


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 1:21:39 pm PDT #1319 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

This is one of those things that scares me-- Bear with mre for a moment, as this is only tangentially related:

My friend Nancy and I were doing a show with a lot of High School Students. In the past, we had had a lot of trouble with people being late and/or skipping rehearsals altogether. We decided on a procedure and told them up front-- three Strikes and you are out. we really thought this would solve it, because before we felt we had no teeth.

Throughout the show, people would use up their two strikes. Deliberately. Probably people who wouldn't have skipped rehearsal in the first place. We learned that not having it laid out clearly was actually better.

This reminds me of that. It means we only have a 6th month moratorium on being called Buffistas or something. Some decisions should never be revisited.


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 1:23:20 pm PDT #1320 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 1:25:28 pm PDT #1321 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 1:27:21 pm PDT #1322 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Cindy - May 16, 2003 1:35:14 pm PDT #1323 of 10289
Nobody

(it really, really, really scares you, Sophia? ;)


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 1:37:32 pm PDT #1324 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

That was bad-- My computer just scared me by doing it on my own!


Jon B. - May 16, 2003 1:37:42 pm PDT #1325 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I would hope that those things wot should never be revisited wouldn't get the five initial votes (proposal + 4 secondses) necessary to get revisited.