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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Lyra Jane - Mar 21, 2003 6:56:53 am PST #124 of 10289
Up with the sun

I like three months. Six is a very long time. I only got married six months ago. Four might be best, though -- an issue would only come up three tmes a year, but it's not an eternity.

And yes, there should be an "extraordinary circumstances" clause in the final language voted on.


Jesse - Mar 21, 2003 7:58:52 am PST #125 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Are we even gonna be able to sustain four whole days of discussion on 3 or 6?

God willing, the thread will be fairly quiet for the last couple of days, giving people a chance to catch up.

Six months! It is the only right answer (henceforth, the Jesse approach).

Snerk.

Are we really going with limited choices and a straight X number of months or 6 months on a ballot? Cause if we did, I skimmed it.

In order to making voting as simple as possible, Sophia suggested that we try to come to an agreement around two choices. She proposed 3 months, 6 months, a year. As far as I can see from people's responses here, everyone thinks a year is too long. A few people think 4 months is optimal -- do those people care enough to agitate for it as a choice? If not, I think we're pretty well set with choosing between 3 and 6 months. Remember, people, nothing HAS to be revisited.


Jesse - Mar 21, 2003 7:59:56 am PST #126 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also, possibly to be added to the ballot:

  • Language about "extraordinary circumstances"

  • Does this apply to issues that are raised but don't get enough seconds? What should the time frame there be?

  • Is there a time limit for people to get their seconds?


Jessica - Mar 21, 2003 8:03:09 am PST #127 of 10289
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I absolutely think the closed discussion time limit should apply to unseconded proposals. Otherwise, people are going to be re-proposing endlessly until the only reason people second is to get it voted and done with, and that's a waste of everyone's time.

I think 24 hours is a reasonable amount of time to wait for 4 seconds.


candyb - Mar 21, 2003 8:27:00 am PST #128 of 10289

I agree with Jess PMoon.


Nutty - Mar 21, 2003 8:32:23 am PST #129 of 10289
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Honestly, when I read it, my gut reaction was to post something completely rude.

Please don't! That way lies rancor and madness. We are sane and fluffy Buffistas. Nutty says so.

I absolutely think the closed discussion time limit should apply to unseconded proposals. Otherwise, people are going to be re-proposing endlessly until the only reason people second is to get it voted and done with, and that's a waste of everyone's time.

I don't know as how this is actually part of what we're going to be voting on, but I do tend to think that, as a practice, people will begin to second proposals that will obviously lose a vote, just to be able to apply the waiting period. A couple of the seconders in the War Thread discussion in Bureaucracy have indicated this is their strategy. IOW, unless it's a totally insane person trying to propose, I think this part of the process will fix itself and not need legislation.

But it only works if you choose 6 months! Imagine voting on Nutty Cheese Butt every 3 months!!


Betsy HP - Mar 21, 2003 8:33:06 am PST #130 of 10289
If I only had a brain...

Six is a perfect number. Literally. Ask any math major.


Jessica - Mar 21, 2003 8:33:24 am PST #131 of 10289
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Not 9?

[nevermind, I'm an idiot and not thinking mathily enough. different "perfect." carry on.]


brenda m - Mar 21, 2003 8:57:26 am PST #132 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

OK, how 'bout this. Does 12 mos. have any supporters out there, as either the kill-time or as a ballot option?


DavidS - Mar 21, 2003 9:00:04 am PST #133 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Does 12 mos. have any supporters out there, as either the kill-time or as a ballot option?

I haven't seen anybody push for 12 months yet.