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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 1:26:49 pm PDT #1066 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

You'd have to lock all the threads, then, really. Because the show threads go off-topic. And it's mostly Natter, but Natter can lead to more personal stuff.

No, I'm more concerned that we had to handle the response backchannel because we didn't want them seeing the debate on what to do about it.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 1:28:32 pm PDT #1067 of 10289
Up with the sun

you can never tell *what* someone posts that might make an insane lurker decide legal action is necessary.

This, too. I mean, someone could post a link to a fan site and say something mildly critical about it, and we could be off to the races if the person who ran the site was a)reading and b)overly sensitive. Threatening legal action is kind of the grown-up equivalent of calling in mommy for certain people.

If it's a question of protecting the board itself, would a statement to the effect of "Buffistas.org is not responsible for what individual posters say" do as much good?


Steph L. - May 05, 2003 1:32:36 pm PDT #1068 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

No, I'm more concerned that we had to handle the response backchannel because we didn't want them seeing the debate on what to do about it.

Oh, right. I grok.


amych - May 05, 2003 1:33:44 pm PDT #1069 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

If it's a question of protecting the board itself, would a statement to the effect of "Buffistas.org is not responsible for what indivoidual posters say" do as much good?

We've done that.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 1:38:41 pm PDT #1070 of 10289
Up with the sun

I'm more concerned that we had to handle the response backchannel because we didn't want them seeing the debate on what to do about it.

Understood.

But if something like that did happen again, would we want it to be up for a week's worth of discussion while we figured out what to do? ISTM that, if it's not posted here, it SHOULD be handled backchannel or in the forum where it comes up.


Jon B. - May 05, 2003 1:39:04 pm PDT #1071 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Mails were few, but the fact that it was there did help in terms of cyber-molesters, I think. It's existence was a huge sign that read, "Adults are watching, and we'll crush you like a bug if you try to hurt these kids, you fucker."

Sounds like what the admins email account is already used for (on occasion). As an admin, I've no problem with acting as an impersonal advocate.


Jon B. - May 05, 2003 1:41:32 pm PDT #1072 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

it SHOULD be handled backchannel or in the forum where it comes up.

I agree. At the risk of seeming elitist, I didn't see the need to bring up that particular issue in front of all registered users.

t edit Plus! How do we know whether the folks threatening legal action are registered or not? Maybe they've used a different email to send their threats. Again, a false sense of security is worse than keeping things open or in backchannel, IMO.


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 1:42:00 pm PDT #1073 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

If it's a question of protecting the board itself, would a statement to the effect of "Buffistas.org is not responsible for what indivoidual posters say" do as much good?

We've done that.

I can't find it. We talked about it briefly here:

ita "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 22, 2003 11:47:49 am EST

but it looks like we got sidetracked, and never followed through.


Beverly - May 05, 2003 1:45:21 pm PDT #1074 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I have to say, whenever I've used email--and it's been a personal email to a stompie's own account, response has been swift, even if said response was just "we know, we're on it."

I know it's more of a hassle, but I still think backchannel is the way to go if a discussion needs to be not-public. If the admins don't want to handle things without a discussion, then we need an offsite account to discuss. But I don't think the login should be available to anyone who a)isn't registered here, and b)doesn't ask for it.

If that's exclusionary, so be it. I think the overwhelming majority of posters don't concern themselves with the nuts and bolts of board maintenance, either mechanical or ethical. And if they choose not to participate, there's no reason to disseminate a login/password. Those who are motivated to take part can apply for login. Is there a non-admin-intensive way to do that?


amych - May 05, 2003 1:46:25 pm PDT #1075 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'm with Jon, and I don't think it's elitist to say so. At the time, and still, it seemed like an administrative matter. We got email that was obviously an empty threat, we doublechecked with a couple of Buffista-lawyers to make sure it was, and we told the threateners to stuff it. It was as clear a matter of applying the existing don't-be-a-demon policy as the sporking of christiandollarstore.