Angel: He is dead. Technically, he's undead. It's a zombie. Connor: What's a zombie? Angel: It's an undead thing. Connor: Like you? Angel: No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh. Connor: Like you. Angel: No! It's different. Trust me.

'Destiny'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Allyson - May 05, 2003 1:14:57 pm PDT #1061 of 10289
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What about an email account off-site?

We did that with the Safety Page. People could email confidentially, so that they would have an advocate if there was a 'net safety issue.

Some folks aren't afraid of cyber-people, and don't so much mind saying, "I'm aware of what you're doing, pal, and I'm here to push back."

Sadly, a lot of stuff that is happening is common, and the price of the new open-ness.

Just waiting for the poor mother with the dying child to show up for sympathy and money.

I think the advocate email account is a good way of dealing with stuff off board, but then, you all have to decide who has passwords.

We had a lawyer, a nurse, a generally nice person, and a total asshole (me!) for the safety box. Mails were few, but the fact that it was there did help in terms of cyber-molesters, I think. It's existence was a huge sign that read, "Adults are watching, and we'll crush you like a bug if you try to hurt these kids, you fucker."

Sounds like you need a sign like that, but it should read something completely different.


Beverly - May 05, 2003 1:18:43 pm PDT #1062 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Yup. Okay, I give.

I still have a bad feeling about sealing an existing thread to non-registered users. It wouldn't be effective, simply because our troublemakers, so far, have been registered. And I can't help feeling it adds to the pervasive at-large atmosphere of paranoia if said troublemakers can't be asked to come and discuss their behavior.

In cases like the anonymous bitch lurkers and Cindy's new email pal, I do think backchannel is the best way. I was trying to think of a broader backchannel, is all.


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 1:19:48 pm PDT #1063 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

And if someone does want to register for purposes of evil, we have a way to deal with that.

I think that's part of my point. We would then be aware of them to some extent.

I don't see how someone could do that without registering or posting.

They were threatening legal action against the admins and posters on the board because they didn't like what they were reading.


Steph L. - May 05, 2003 1:23:31 pm PDT #1064 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

They were threatening legal action against the admins and posters on the board because they didn't like what they were reading.

You'd have to lock all the threads, then, really. Because the show threads go off-topic. And it's mostly Natter, but Natter can lead to more personal stuff.

Besides, you can never tell *what* someone posts that might make an insane lurker decide legal action is necessary.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 1:24:56 pm PDT #1065 of 10289
Up with the sun

They were threatening legal action against the admins and posters on the board because they didn't like what they were reading.

On what grounds? Some people threaten legal action if you look at them cross-eyed; doesn't mean you have to take them seriously.

And again, I'm not sure requiring registration would have done Thing One to discourage someone like that.


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 1:26:49 pm PDT #1066 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

You'd have to lock all the threads, then, really. Because the show threads go off-topic. And it's mostly Natter, but Natter can lead to more personal stuff.

No, I'm more concerned that we had to handle the response backchannel because we didn't want them seeing the debate on what to do about it.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 1:28:32 pm PDT #1067 of 10289
Up with the sun

you can never tell *what* someone posts that might make an insane lurker decide legal action is necessary.

This, too. I mean, someone could post a link to a fan site and say something mildly critical about it, and we could be off to the races if the person who ran the site was a)reading and b)overly sensitive. Threatening legal action is kind of the grown-up equivalent of calling in mommy for certain people.

If it's a question of protecting the board itself, would a statement to the effect of "Buffistas.org is not responsible for what individual posters say" do as much good?


Steph L. - May 05, 2003 1:32:36 pm PDT #1068 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

No, I'm more concerned that we had to handle the response backchannel because we didn't want them seeing the debate on what to do about it.

Oh, right. I grok.


amych - May 05, 2003 1:33:44 pm PDT #1069 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

If it's a question of protecting the board itself, would a statement to the effect of "Buffistas.org is not responsible for what indivoidual posters say" do as much good?

We've done that.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 1:38:41 pm PDT #1070 of 10289
Up with the sun

I'm more concerned that we had to handle the response backchannel because we didn't want them seeing the debate on what to do about it.

Understood.

But if something like that did happen again, would we want it to be up for a week's worth of discussion while we figured out what to do? ISTM that, if it's not posted here, it SHOULD be handled backchannel or in the forum where it comes up.