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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 12:07:53 pm PDT #1022 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

What everyone else said. This proposal really doesn't give much security, since anyone can register.

Yeah, they can. But then, at least, if they start making threats or harassing, we have an e-mail address. I know it's not much, but it's better than nothing.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 05, 2003 12:08:32 pm PDT #1023 of 10289
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I suppose I don't really have much to add to the discussion that hasn't already been said. But given that the proposed thread reading requirement wouldn't be likely to guard against the determined efforts mentioned above, I see it as risking a negative impact on the community feel without much in the way of positive results to counterbalance.


bitterchick - May 05, 2003 12:08:58 pm PDT #1024 of 10289

Give 'em back!

No! They're mine and you can't have them. Nah nah nah nah nah.

Oh and I noticed that earlier, in Bureaucracy I think, someone referenced the reason why I'm mostly posting under a pseudonym these days. I honestly don't think that locking every single thread and making people register before reading would have made a bit of difference.

Let's say that we locked all threads. One day I come into Natter or Bitches or wherever and talk about what a bitch a former friend, who does not post here, is. The next day, that former friend approaches me and proceeds to quote my posts back to me. Well, what can the board do? She's a registered member but, unless I know her username, they can't block her from lurking.

I think it'd just be a big ole mess.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 12:10:30 pm PDT #1025 of 10289
Up with the sun

But then, at least, if they start making threats or harassing, we have an e-mail address.

But if someone was making threats or harassing(either on the board or through email), wouldn't we have an email address anyhow?


§ ita § - May 05, 2003 12:10:51 pm PDT #1026 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if they start making threats or harassing, we have an e-mail address

No, we don't, necessarily. And if we do, what use is it?


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 12:14:22 pm PDT #1027 of 10289
Up with the sun

The next day, that former friend approaches me and proceeds to quote my posts back to me. Well, what can the board do? She's a registered member but, unless I know her username, they can't block her from lurking.

Even if she does tell you her username, there's no reason to warn or ban the person in this scenario. If she started specifically attacking your posts on the board, maybe. But if it was just "I saw what you wrote and it pissed me off" and she isn't boiling your bunny or anything, that's really between you and her.


Trudy Booth - May 05, 2003 12:16:27 pm PDT #1028 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm going to chime in with a big "no" for the reasons already mentioned and on the grounds that it is unBuffista.


bitterchick - May 05, 2003 12:16:59 pm PDT #1029 of 10289

that's really between you and her.

Yes, this is also true.


askye - May 05, 2003 12:19:47 pm PDT #1030 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

There's also the fact that people can be reading this discussion right now and decide to register in case threads do become locked.

Then what do we do?

Also if a person has only lurked and doesn't say anything on the board and only says things off board in emails how can we tell who's doing the harassing or how long they have been registered if they start quoting things that were said in locked threads?

How can we even make sure they aren't registering more than one user name to confuse the issue?


Consuela - May 05, 2003 12:20:04 pm PDT #1031 of 10289
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

if they start making threats or harassing, we have an e-mail address

Hmm. Looks like there's two separate issues here the proposal is trying to address:

  • privacy concerns of members of the community with regards to things which are said in places like Bitches; and

  • the ability of the community to respond to security concerns regarding lurkers.

I don't think the proposal would correct for the first issue, because people say private things in every thread and we all have to live with the fact that we're on the Internet.

As for the second issue... I dunno. I see the rationale but I fear that locking the thread from unregistered readers would violate our open-to-all philosophy. We try to encourage lurkers whenever possible, and part of what attracts people to the board is our willingness to hash out damned near everything in public. Locking the thread where policy decisions are made would contradict the spirit of the board, I think, and may also make lurkers think that we're all in there saying nasty things about them.

Security issues: I think matters such as the poster who is being harrassed shouldn't be addressed on the board even privately to the community, except inasmuch as there are violations of board etiquette or major community policy issues raised. It's the internet, and Buffistas.org has no ability to keep people (even registered users) from sending nasty email and basically being troglodytes. I feel for the poster in question but I don't know what we could have done to protect them.

Them's my thoughts, depreciated for the time delay it took to write the post.