And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


javachik - Aug 10, 2018 2:18:04 pm PDT #10212 of 10289
not to be confused with java cat

The more I look at "brought together" the more I think about newbies. By which I mean people who have only been here 15 years.

It me. I joined in 2005! 13 years later I still feel like a Newbie. I supposed that's because I'd already been posting on various boards and chat rooms for over 13 years when I finally joined up with y'all.


Jon B. - Aug 10, 2018 6:02:36 pm PDT #10213 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The Press announcement is up:

Voting Has Begun!

And with that, I close this thread.


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 8:21:02 am PST #10214 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Proposal
A thread for education on, and discussion of, all of the -isms (racism, ableism, sexism, homophobia, etc.) with the goal of being intentional about supporting all of our members and being good citizens in the world at large. This would be a place to ask questions, share educational links, and have difficult discussions (as needed).


JenP - Dec 08, 2020 8:23:30 am PST #10215 of 10289

I think it's a great idea, Glam. I, personally, have learned a lot of things I didn't know that I didn't know from buffistas (and others, but...) just on FB - sharing articles, videos, following wall convos, etc - and having a thread here as a resource and place to talk would be amazing. I think this is a great idea independent of what happened in the GGR thread. And, I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to feel burdened to educate, and I take responsibility for educating myself (or for having failed to do so, probably more often than not), but I would welcome this thread here.


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 8:35:50 am PST #10216 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Agree on the opportunity to discuss with Buffistas being most excellent. I'm envisioning seeing an article or video somewhere and bringing it here to discuss. As part of the LGBTQIA+ community, I love discussing those issues and why things are problematic. I also love when members of other marginalized groups do the same - such good education.


DavidS - Dec 08, 2020 8:58:53 am PST #10217 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It would be nice to have a safe space to engage in these delicate discussions.

It's important to remember that a lot of these issues are still evolving. Elliott Page's announcement pointed out the awkward space where you don't want to refer to somebody by their dead name, but if you didn't have a picture handy or rattle off their filmography it might be unclear who you were referring to.

I've been called out on this board, and it's not comfortable but I have spent a lot of time thinking about those conversations and their implications.


meara - Dec 08, 2020 9:02:40 am PST #10218 of 10289

I mean, sure, why not. If nobody is being forced to participate in the thread, I can’t imagine an objection to it. All for more edification and opportunity for discussion.

My one concern would be that while I don’t want to put any burden on members of whatever community to respond or participate, I also wouldn’t want it to be “here are white people/straight people/cis people explaining what’s right and wrong” either? Not sure how to explain or help that though.


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:03:35 am PST #10219 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

It would be nice to have a safe space to engage in these delicate discussions.

Definitely safe, but not necessarily comfortable would be my definition.


Sophia Brooks - Dec 08, 2020 9:06:01 am PST #10220 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think we want to encourage the thinking. That is what we are about as Buffistas. We had a sort of horrible thing about 9/11 we don’t talk about, but it is real with a conversation between two people both of whom do not post here now and one who left completely. I don’t want that to happen. I don’t want to lose people.


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:06:14 am PST #10221 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

My one concern would be that while I don’t want to put any burden on members of whatever community to respond or participate, I also wouldn’t want it to be “here are white people/straight people/cis people explaining what’s right and wrong” either? Not sure how to explain or help that though.

We all own educating ourselves. I agree that the more participation we have from people in those groups, the better. But in the absence, we still have to be committed to growth. Again, we don't put the onus of education on marginalized groups. We are fortunate when they (we) take part.

ETA: There are many (MANY) resources provided by folks in those marginalized communities, so it's not in the absence of those voices.