I battle evil. But I don't really win. The bad keeps coming back and getting stronger. Like that kid in the story, the boy that stuck his finger in the duck.

Buffy ,'Showtime'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Jesse - May 05, 2003 11:53:15 am PDT #1013 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

There are certain matters that it would be nice to discuss out of the view of prying eyes.

But there's no way to actually do that. I mean, if I'm an Evil Lurker and I want to read the locked threads, all I have to do is register. If I'm banned, I just have to come up with a new name.


askye - May 05, 2003 11:53:28 am PDT #1014 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

But there's nothing stopping people from registering, lurking, and reading. If people were trying to cause problems and were that interested it wouldn't be that hard for them to register and start reading.


Jon B. - May 05, 2003 11:53:52 am PDT #1015 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

What everyone else said --

  • it won't work
  • false sense of security
  • it may even encourage trolls to re-register.


askye - May 05, 2003 11:56:03 am PDT #1016 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

Also--how are we going to keep any mention of what's being dicussed in B'cracy out of other threads? Once we make a mention of an issue in, say, Natter or Buffy or whatever it's easy for someone to figure out they can register and read.


Jesse - May 05, 2003 11:57:02 am PDT #1017 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

(PS: Ed, I hope you don't feel piled on, what with the crossposting and whatnot.)


Nutty - May 05, 2003 12:01:30 pm PDT #1018 of 10289
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

There's truth in what DX says. If we have a security matter -- stalking, police notification, or that kind of thing -- we currently have no secured place to talk about that matter community-wide, only backchannel of various types.

Then again, I'm also of the opinion that 98% of the time, Bureaucracy -- the best test case for locking, I think -- doesn't need to be locked at all. You know, when we're debating thread names and working on proposals and other things. I'd hate to think we were driven behind a locked door, for that 2% of weirdness.

Then again again, I know that operationally, people act as if we're in private, even when they know intellectually they're not. I like the intimacy of the site, and would be sorry to lose it.

Then again 3x, I don't see as how locking a thread would be very effective against a determined troll. If Zoe can re-register with a different email and post in Natter, she can re-register and read intimate details in any thread.

I guess I'm coming down on the side of no, so as not to throw the wheat out with the chaff. But it's something I wish we had a middle-ground solution on, because the concerns that sparked the proposal are certainly legitimate.


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 12:01:40 pm PDT #1019 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Jesse, nope. I knew it wouldn't be all that popular.


Jesse - May 05, 2003 12:03:44 pm PDT #1020 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Jesse, nope.

Just checking.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2003 12:04:03 pm PDT #1021 of 10289
Up with the sun

What everyone else said. This proposal really doesn't give much security, since anyone can register.


DXMachina - May 05, 2003 12:07:53 pm PDT #1022 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

What everyone else said. This proposal really doesn't give much security, since anyone can register.

Yeah, they can. But then, at least, if they start making threats or harassing, we have an e-mail address. I know it's not much, but it's better than nothing.