River: 1001. 1002. Simon: River... River: Shh. I'm counting between the lightning and the thunder to see if the storm is coming or going. .1005

'The Message'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Jessica - Oct 18, 2016 7:28:25 am PDT #10111 of 10289
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I'm all for stompies taking quick action as necessary when people bring specific problems to their attention or they happen across problematic behavior themselves, and resolutions to be more conscious of other posters' discomfort is of the good. But I think people can be abrasive or annoying to some without actually being harmful to the community—that's just the natural clash of different personalities in a group. That kind of nannying situation would do more harm than good.

I am in total agreement.


EpicTangent - Oct 18, 2016 7:47:46 am PDT #10112 of 10289
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

Since I've never been a really active poster and have been unfortunately lurky lately, I've been holding back on saying anything, feeling sort of like I'm not enough of a member to get or need a vote. But I realized I don't want to seem to be giving tacit approval by my silence. So I'll chime in.

I was oblivious to issues both in person and in thread with P-C. I don't think I will be more suspicious with people in the future because I am a trusting soul, but I do promise to pay more attention when others speak up.

Laura is me. He never particularly pinged me, and I've been happy for him of late that he's seemed to be coming into his own. To find that he's been "coming into his own" by using and manipulating and harming others (especially others here, in this special place), is troubling to a nauseating degree. I'm so sorry that anyone in this community was harmed, and so sorry that I was so oblivious.

In the past, I've occasionally thought it was odd that he and I weren't closer friends, when other Buffistas I've spent less F2F time with I clicked with really well and feel closer to, but chalked it up to personalities just not meshing well, combined with the famous awkwardness. Now I see it's because I'm not young and hot enough, or connected enough, for him to have bothered. Which, I guess I'm thankful for as it kept me at a distance.

I absolutely support decisions made by the group that will make this a safer place and bring back some people who have really been missed.


beekaytee - Oct 18, 2016 7:52:19 am PDT #10113 of 10289
Compassionately intolerant

Adding my voice of agreement.

The only way that data could have actual value is if blocking required a reason...and, just no.

I accidentally blocked a user I actually adore once, and did not notice it for some time.

Overstating the obvious, I know, but blocking for taste or annoyance is much different than blocking for menace or maltreatment.

ETA:

Now I see it's because I'm not young and hot enough, or connected enough, for him to have bothered. Which, I guess I'm thankful for as it kept me at a distance.

These were my exact thoughts.


Dana - Oct 18, 2016 7:52:31 am PDT #10114 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Anyone who wants to speak up, please feel free to, no matter what the reasons. And anyone who doesn't, don't feel obligated to.


msbelle - Oct 18, 2016 7:59:53 am PDT #10115 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Just a reminder that he is not blocked here yet, but has been removed from FB group. Just FYI if anyone does not want to post here for that reason. I'm not really much more could be said, we seem beyond the discussion of the proposal. Voting will be what, tomorrow afternoon or Thurs morning?


Glamcookie - Oct 18, 2016 8:03:00 am PDT #10116 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

If he does get blocked, he can still read and/or create a new account, correct? Just want to make sure all are clear on that in case it makes a difference in whether they would speak up or not.


DXMachina - Oct 18, 2016 8:27:25 am PDT #10117 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

He can certainly still read the board. He wouldn't be able to post.

As far as creating a new account, it's a matter of whatever stompy comes across the request figuring out that it's him. We went through that with both Mieskie and Zoe, although we're probabaly a little out of practice spotting new IDs.


WindSparrow - Oct 18, 2016 8:33:19 am PDT #10118 of 10289
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Perhaps we can alter our rules for the procedures to ban people for bad behavior so that various forms of harassment IRL and the other bad behavior we have seen in this instance can be reported to Stompies, and acted on appropriately and quickly. How much investigation would we want to require? What about an appeal process?


-t - Oct 18, 2016 8:40:51 am PDT #10119 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Per Jon B. "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Oct 17, 2016 10:39:36 am PDT voting starts tomorrow night and will run through Saturday.

I will reiterate that I can count votes.


quester - Oct 18, 2016 2:58:58 pm PDT #10120 of 10289
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

In some ways, I'm having flashbacks to when Gus was outed as a sock puppet: the same sense of betrayal, the same sense of "all the pieces were there, why didn't we put them together?

Me, too, Kalshane.