You got fired, and you still hang around here like a big loser. Why can't he?

Cordelia ,'Chosen'


Natter 78: I might need to watch some Buffy for inspiration

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Jul 21, 2024 5:49:33 pm PDT #1677 of 2650
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I really think that all the people who are going to vote for Trump are already accounted for. I don't think anyone is undecided between Trump and [Democratic candidate]; I think they've been undecided between Biden and [not voting]. So this may push some of those anti-Biden undecideds from [not voting] to [Democratic candidate].

Yeah, I think/hope that's right. Yikes, though.

Oh, and while I was out shopping for the residents, there was an amateur marching band practicing up and down the shopping mall sidewalks. It might have been School of Honk, I know I've seen that polka-dotted tuba before. Just loverly random!

This is from days ago, but Theo, it was the summer camp program, and they'll be around this week, too!


askye - Jul 21, 2024 5:52:07 pm PDT #1678 of 2650
Thrive to spite them

I want to think that whatever is going on with Biden is either really new and the issues have taken everyone by surprise OR it's something they've known about but suddenly he's had more difficulties and that the plan was to get through until the new year and step down but the debate and the shooting changed things and pushed the issue.

I really hope it's something like that and not winging it.


P.M. Marc - Jul 21, 2024 6:09:54 pm PDT #1679 of 2650
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Five days before the debate, someone who’d seen Biden recently at a fundraiser told me that he looked and sounded dramatically worse than the previous times they’d seen him — as recently as six months ago — and that they were now convinced Biden wouldn’t be able to make it through a second term. I blew that warning off and assumed things would be fine at the debate.

That's from Matt Yglesias, askye, and it tends to support your hope.


Kate P. - Jul 21, 2024 6:26:05 pm PDT #1680 of 2650
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I'm still puzzled how this doesn't hand more votes to Trump.

Why would it? Surely most people who were planning to vote for Biden are already on Team Vote Blue No Matter Who, right? I think a shakeup has the potential to draw in more people who were unenthused about either Biden or Trump. Not to say I'm not super nervous still, and I certainly agree that Biden choosing not to run again last year would have been much better, but I think at this point he was pretty much toast and stepping down was the right (and almost inevitable) choice.


Trudy Booth - Jul 21, 2024 7:58:32 pm PDT #1681 of 2650
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I really think that all the people who are going to vote for Trump are already accounted for. I don't think anyone is undecided between Trump and [Democratic candidate]; I think they've been undecided between Biden and [not voting]. So this may push some of those anti-Biden undecideds from [not voting] to [Democratic candidate].
There are more than a few apathetic bigots who’ve never voted in their lives who will crawl out from under whatever slimy rock they call home to keep a Black woman out of office.


Amy - Jul 21, 2024 8:15:08 pm PDT #1682 of 2650
Because books.

There are more than a few apathetic bigots who’ve never voted in their lives who will crawl out from under whatever slimy rock they call home to keep a Black woman out of office.

That's my fear. And I, too, want to know why the hell the whole party wasn't persuading him this way two or three years ago. It's not like he was going to get younger. I can't help feeling like this is all too late.

My mom is 81 (and actually went to high school with Biden, good old tiny Delaware) and while she's energetic enough to do some things, she can't work a whole day anymore, and in the evenings she gets fuzzy and forgetful. Aging happens differently to different people in a lot of ways, and sometimes it happens pretty suddenly.

I wish we could have Hillary. I also wish I could wrangle a medically induced coma starting in mid-October.


Calli - Jul 22, 2024 4:18:04 am PDT #1683 of 2650
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I was already going to vote Blue, but I have to admit I’ll be doing so more enthusiastically now. I can see where Harris could get some folks who wouldn’t bother for Biden to the polls.

Like Whitmer a lot. She’s doing some great stuff in Michigan. It helps that the MI leg went Democrat, too, so she can actually get stuff done. MI has put more money towards schools, the environment, and I think they’re working to make it so a handful of old rich people who find windmills and solar panels “unsightly” can’t block green energy projects.


lisah - Jul 22, 2024 5:09:51 am PDT #1684 of 2650
Punishingly Intricate

Amy, I bet our families know each other. Delaware!


Laura - Jul 22, 2024 5:41:51 am PDT #1685 of 2650
Our wings are not tired.

I can see where Harris could get some folks who wouldn’t bother for Biden to the polls.

This is the case. Also, there will be much more interest in an election season that a large percentage wasn't paying attention to. Yes, there may be some who come out to vote against her, but if they are that passionately bigoted they were already going to vote for Trump. There are a lot more people who were completely numb to the election that now have a choice they can get behind.

As for the VP pick, I am hoping that the best strategic minds will help figure this one out. There are some good choices. I just want whichever one helps keep the Oval, House, and Senate.

Also, Machin, really. Why are you on my screen again?


Steph L. - Jul 22, 2024 6:38:40 am PDT #1686 of 2650
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I can see where Harris could get some folks who wouldn’t bother for Biden to the polls.

This is the case.

I really think she has a better chance of getting younger people to the polls, which is desperately needed.