I've seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars.

Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Aug 19, 2021 4:16:00 pm PDT #8567 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

Teppy, unfortunately, there are no Red Flag gun laws in Ohio.

Getting him put on a 72 hour psych hold may allow you to remove the guns, but he could, technically, report them as stolen.

Not sure what the legal pathway is if he doesn’t surrender them voluntarily.


Laura - Aug 19, 2021 4:21:16 pm PDT #8568 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

A sound plan. I hope he is cooperative.


Steph L. - Aug 19, 2021 4:25:04 pm PDT #8569 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Not sure what the legal pathway is if he doesn’t surrender them voluntarily.

Well, our plan is vigilantism anyway. I'm really not trying to be glib; our plan is to tell him he needs to give up his guns, and if he refuses, we're going to take them anyway. And I guess he can report them as stolen if he wants, but we still really have to get them out of his hands.


Sheryl - Aug 19, 2021 4:45:02 pm PDT #8570 of 30000
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timeliess all!

Good luck, Steph! That's a lot to deal with.

We got back yesterday from CT. Mostly a good trip, though neither Gary nor I slept well. Also too much food, but that's a given with my parents.


Jesse - Aug 19, 2021 4:49:07 pm PDT #8571 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Glad your brother is coming, Steph.

I know it's also a lot but could you or your brother check with your Dad's doctor. At least to let him know the hallucinations have started again. I don't know if there is anything he could do but he probably needs to know this in case it's not medicine causing them.

What I've heard on this is: your father's doctor can't tell you anything, but it can be good for you to tell them stuff. Which makes sense.


Pix - Aug 19, 2021 6:46:36 pm PDT #8572 of 30000
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Holy crap, Tep! That's so much. I'm glad your brother is able to come out.


msbelle - Aug 19, 2021 7:50:25 pm PDT #8573 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Tep I am so sorry.

Can things just stop being so gd hard?!


Beverly - Aug 19, 2021 7:57:37 pm PDT #8574 of 30000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Nodding at msbelle.

All best possible resolution to the guns 'n' dad scenario, Tep. I'm glad your brother is coming in to help.


Cashmere - Aug 19, 2021 9:03:42 pm PDT #8575 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

My family is where mental illness and guns meet, so I agree with your brand of vigilantism, Steph.


Steph L. - Aug 19, 2021 9:37:30 pm PDT #8576 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I know it's also a lot but could you or your brother check with your Dad's doctor. At least to let him know the hallucinations have started again. I don't know if there is anything he could do but he probably needs to know this in case it's not medicine causing them.

What I've heard on this is: your father's doctor can't tell you anything, but it can be good for you to tell them stuff. Which makes sense.

I can message his various doctors through MyChart; I've done it in the past. The first thing I want to do is have an in-person conversation with Dad about whether he's started taking his leftover Ambien again, how much pot he's smoking, and if he's using any other illegal/illegally obtained meds. Because I want the full, unvarnished picture so I can give as much of the correct information to his doctor(s) as possible. So once I've had that conversation, I can email his doctor(s).

I've been skirting the edges of a panic attack all evening, so I took an Ativan, and now I'm very sleepy and calm. But it's going to be one hell of a weekend.