even sober as I am(sometimes monotonously) that would make me feel high, Scola. Nilly, good wishes and syrup, I guess. (Is that what you put on pancakes? Can't imagine you've got maple trees.) When I had stimulus money, I bought some special syrup from Vermont...it was better, even on toaster waffles. Messy, though. i remembered why I don't eat it more.
It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another.
Mal ,'Jaynestown'
Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
erikaj - Dec 03, 2023 11:29:17 am PST #27202 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!
Shir - Dec 03, 2023 12:33:44 pm PST #27203 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
And just to say that I'm OK and safe as I can be here, too. This war is heartbreaking and devastating in so many different ways. It takes effort not to think of many of these things for long enough to concentrate on anything, and I'm slowly finding ways to do that. It's... what it is. May it end soon.
brenda m - Dec 03, 2023 12:39:02 pm PST #27204 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
May it end soon.
erikaj - Dec 03, 2023 12:53:51 pm PST #27205 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!
Yes, this. And not only cause I won't be going to Zooms about it anymore(Which I know is a minimal sacrifice, much like reading the occasional whacked-a-vist quitting on us at work for seeking peaceful solutions. They are lucky I am fairly unmotivated because on Daily Kos the pointing and laughing used to be intense at times like that.)
Shir - Dec 03, 2023 1:08:38 pm PST #27206 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
I don't think there's a peaceful solution until at least one government is replaced and can steer this thing in some direction that won't gurentee a destruction of at least one group of people. Sinwar is truly a genius and found a way to bring back many intergenerational traumas in a single day, and both sides react to them accordingly. If he weren't a murderous psychopath I'd wish he'd be on the Israeli side. It's like watching a national suicide bomb explodes in slow motion (pogroms for the Israelis, Nakba for the Palestinians, 1947-1949 in the middle, and just when Netanyehu secured enough horcruxes to last at least for a while).
Adding something extra because I think the context is lost in geography: this situation will change. It's the Middle East. I don't know how and in which direction, but things change here quite fast. Though in this case, not fast enough.
erikaj - Dec 03, 2023 3:06:06 pm PST #27207 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!
The professor that spoke to us today(he teaches about the Holocaust at Brown now after studying in Israel and Europe) outlined his thoughts and then said "It's probably a pipe dream. But that doesn't mean pipe dreams are wrong. Without them, it's all just blood and soil." It sucks though that there is enough to do for a "Holocaust and Genocide studies Department" but he is probably a good instructor.
Cass - Dec 03, 2023 5:12:35 pm PST #27208 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
Sinwar is truly a genius and found a way to bring back many intergenerational traumas in a single day, and both sides react to them accordingly. If he weren't a murderous psychopath I'd wish he'd be on the Israeli side.He is brilliant but also truly a psychopath. I was reading more about him today and, ugh, I wish he were on a better side.
Adding something extra because I think the context is lost in geography: this situation will change. It's the Middle East. I don't know how and in which direction, but things change here quite fast. Though in this case, not fast enough.Do you think there is a real solution? Things will absolutely change but I wonder if there is any common ground where everyone gets a chance at a semi-peaceful life?
In drudgery, I cleaned the fridge out from an unexpectedly post-Thanksgiving largess. Should have frozen more carcass soup. It was very good but too much.
Laura - Dec 03, 2023 5:45:01 pm PST #27209 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
It's the Middle East. I don't know how and in which direction, but things change here quite fast. Though in this case, not fast enough.
Yes, and it almost seems like change has to be for the better as it is at a point where the people have surely had enough of the status quo.
WindSparrow - Dec 03, 2023 9:20:22 pm PST #27210 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.
Laura, ~ma for your brother.
Nilly and Shir, I hold you in my heart. I wish for peace and safety for civilians on all sides. I wish for an end to antisemitism, and other forms of racism and hatred. I wish for an increase in justice and a way to offer shelter, healing, nourishment to all who do not have it.
I'm weeping for this world.
Shir - Dec 03, 2023 11:21:54 pm PST #27211 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
Do you think there is a real solution? Things will absolutely change but I wonder if there is any common ground where everyone gets a chance at a semi-peaceful life?
Yes, but again, not until at least one government is replaced. There are several suggestions and all require true leadership and courage, that we currently lack. Do you know the solution to the prisoner's dilemma in which every side loses something, but they're gaining cooperation/freedom? That's the main road that won't involve more crimes against humanity, and in which we have fair chance of living together/side by side, semi peacefully.
Peace with Egypt happened after a terrible war and with two courageous leaders. Peace with Jordan happened when I was a kid, after an intifada. There is no reason to believe that we can't reach an agreement with PA over Gaza (with tons of international aid), once we have a leadership that cares more about the people and their lives and not it's own power and survival. Especially when we know what the price is.
(editing to add that one of the jokes here is that if the Israeli government truly wants to eliminate Hamas it should consider sending some ministers there to govern over Gaza, for they're doing an outstanding job weakening Israel).