Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sheryl - May 29, 2023 2:27:00 pm PDT #22446 of 30000
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

I'm sorry, Cass.

Back from Balticon. It was a good con.


Cass - May 30, 2023 12:00:29 am PDT #22447 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I’m glad the con was good. You guys need some decompression time.


Tom Scola - May 30, 2023 7:52:09 am PDT #22448 of 30000
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

A big article just dropped about the toxic culture on Lost: [link]


Matt the Bruins fan - May 30, 2023 10:46:41 am PDT #22449 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Whoa, that's quite a read. At least Lindelhof had the self-awareness to appear shamed and remorseful by all the accounts that the writer brought up. Cuse's responses sound very much like "How could I, a powerful white man with the latitude to fire anyone I wanted, possibly have done anything wrong?"


Jesse - May 30, 2023 11:44:12 am PDT #22450 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Damn. And Javier Grillo-Marxuach expands even more in a statement linked here: [link]


Tom Scola - May 30, 2023 12:11:04 pm PDT #22451 of 30000
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

And that's just one chapter of her book where she talks about other shows like SNL and Sleepy Hollow.


Dana - May 30, 2023 12:22:37 pm PDT #22452 of 30000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

It's really interesting, given that Lindelhof went on to make the Watchmen series. (Interesting, in the sense that nothing excuses creating or supporting that kind of shitty environment.) It seems like he's learned better, for whatever that's worth to people.


askye - May 30, 2023 1:32:47 pm PDT #22453 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

I'm definitely going to read that book. I'm not surprised about Lost being a toxic set. I can't really pin point why but just from things I'd read about storylines and choices that were made it seems to make sense.

I've had an interesting day. M's uncle went in to get a stent placed in his heart and we ended up with M's cousin (ML)'s son at our house, her son lives with her parents and not with her (no idea why) and then they heard that M's uncle is going to have open heart surgery tomorrow morning, they discovered he was a "walking heart attack waiting to happen" so that is good. But it may mean that ML's son will be staying with us. I'm not sure his grandmother came and picked him up and now he's gone and I don't really get told stuff. Not sure why he can't stay with his mom.

And then I got an email from the dr's office saying I'll owe just about $1200 for the colonoscopy on June 1. So first why is anyone getting told that 2 days before they are supposed to pay up. Second I thought it was covered as a preventative test. I tried to call them, after 15 mins wasn't through so I tried to call United Health and I expected a fight. What I got was the very nice customer service rep saying that my plan covers 1 colonoscopy a year preventative AND diagnostic and that the dr's office must have just sent a generic letter. She emailed me information AND said that if the dr's office pushes back on this at all to have them call United and they will get it straightened out. Work apparently has a plan with a conciergerie service so it's easier to get through. She assured me that they would cover it and not to worry.


NoiseDesign - May 30, 2023 2:13:04 pm PDT #22454 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

I wish I could be even a little bit shocked any more when I find out more of the entertainment industry is totally toxic. All of us that have worked in it have seen enough toxic behavior over the years that is just a response of, "Yeah, that was also toxic? I didn't know about it, but I'm not at all shocked by it." My industry is so broken.


Vortex - May 30, 2023 2:25:38 pm PDT #22455 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I was immediately turned off by the way that the minority characters were treated/written from the beginning. I can't remember exactly what it was, but I remember thinking that I was not interested in another Magical Negro story. I think I got through 2 episodes?