I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


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Gudanov - Mar 09, 2019 11:30:18 am PST #5786 of 30019
Coding and Sleeping

but also feedback about how to improve, especially when you're doing something new, is not the same thing as being a failure

This wasn't feedback about how to improve. This was fail again and you're out.


Atropa - Mar 09, 2019 11:42:17 am PST #5787 of 30019
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

This wasn't feedback about how to improve. This was fail again and you're out.

You're a brand new employee. That is not an acceptable way to interact with ANY employee, but especially a new one. Ask them for written feedback. Ask them for HR documentation that states one failure is one step away from being fired. Go up the management food chain (in email, so you have documentation) asking if this is the management strategy of the company.

And no matter what answers you get, get the hell out of that job. They're not a good workplace environment.

Also, tell your wife that all of your attention and energy HAS to be focused on your work situation, and she needs to take care of everything around the house that you usually do. That this is not up for argument, this is what a supportive spouse needs to do.

Finally: YOU ARE NOT A FAILURE. YOU ARE NOT A BAD PERSON. All of us have your back, want the best for you, and a lot of us probably want to fly out to you and have some terse but polite confrontations with some people in your life.


Gudanov - Mar 09, 2019 11:51:13 am PST #5788 of 30019
Coding and Sleeping

My wife has been great about it. I think she senses how stressful this is for me and is laying off and helping out.


Laura - Mar 09, 2019 12:11:07 pm PST #5789 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

That is good to hear, Gud. You need family support when starting a new job more than ever.

I agree completely with Atropa. That isn't a normal response to a new employee. I don't get involved with the new development people because that is DH's area, but I often hear him say that it takes a good 3-6 months before the new hires are up to speed on the platform. It just isn't an instant thing.


Sophia Brooks - Mar 09, 2019 12:20:44 pm PST #5790 of 30019
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

In my field ( academics) we say a year to get up to speed.


NoiseDesign - Mar 09, 2019 12:34:18 pm PST #5791 of 30019
Our wings are not tired

I expect 3 to 6 months for new employees.


Theodosia - Mar 09, 2019 1:15:47 pm PST #5792 of 30019
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

One of the hardest lessons that I've learned is that sometimes it's not ME who is failing, but the situational factors are failing in and of themselves. I'm inclined to take Responsibility, and sometimes I can pull a rabbit out of a hat ("You never know, the horse may learn to talk") but sometimes I am set up for failure because of managerial failure.

And a big Yay for Mrs. Gud!


Jesse - Mar 09, 2019 2:02:16 pm PST #5793 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

You're a brand new employee. That is not an acceptable way to interact with ANY employee, but especially a new one. Ask them for written feedback. Ask them for HR documentation that states one failure is one step away from being fired. Go up the management food chain (in email, so you have documentation) asking if this is the management strategy of the company.

And no matter what answers you get, get the hell out of that job. They're not a good workplace environment.

Also, tell your wife that all of your attention and energy HAS to be focused on your work situation, and she needs to take care of everything around the house that you usually do. That this is not up for argument, this is what a supportive spouse needs to do.

Finally: YOU ARE NOT A FAILURE. YOU ARE NOT A BAD PERSON. All of us have your back, want the best for you, and a lot of us probably want to fly out to you and have some terse but polite confrontations with some people in your life.

Just repeating all of this.


Gudanov - Mar 09, 2019 2:17:47 pm PST #5794 of 30019
Coding and Sleeping

Ask them for written feedback.

Well, it was written. It was in the team slack channel.


Dana - Mar 09, 2019 2:32:19 pm PST #5795 of 30019
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

So, it was public? That's even more bullshit.

You had a bunch of interviews, didn't you? If this company is shitty to you, you don't have to stay there.