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Dr. Walsh ,'Potential'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2019 10:32:14 am PST #5323 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

How does any adult who's not disabled or royalty have less than 5 domestic tasks that are their sole responsibility?

Spouse/partner who does their fair share of the work? (Obviously doesn't apply to single people.)


Jessica - Feb 26, 2019 10:36:07 am PST #5324 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How does any adult who's not disabled or royalty have less than 5 domestic tasks that are their sole responsibility?

Be a heterosexual husband, pretty much.

Since 1965, the amount of household labor done by wives has been more or less cut in half (partially due to technology, i.e. dishwashers and partially due to some of that unpaid work shifting into the economic sphere i.e. housekeepers), and the amount of housework done by husbands has stayed exactly the same, which is to say, REALLY FUCKNG LOW. And housework tends to cut across gender lines in a way that assigns women most of the daily tasks (dishes, laundry, childcare) and men most of the once-in-a-while tasks (mowing the lawn).


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2019 10:37:54 am PST #5325 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Okay, here's the list of household tasks the study included (and please note that "housecleaning" isn't on the list at all, which is weird):

Routine childcare plans; back-up or emergency childcare plans; cooking; grocery shopping; shopping for children's clothing; vacation planning; helping with homework; laundry; home repairs; finances; and automobile maintenance.

They also noted the mean household income was over $300K, so maybe it's assumed that Merry Maids cleans all the houses of all 1,700 women who answered the survey? I think I'll ask the authors why housecleaning isn't included.


-t - Feb 26, 2019 10:40:44 am PST #5326 of 30019
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

They need the old apartment cleaned out by Friday

Whoa, that is fast. Can you use insurance money to hire movers to pack you up?

You could, theoretically, divide up your household tasks so that none of them are your sole responsibility, they are all shared. I doubt that really happens much, but it's possible, right? Assuming there is someone to share them with, of course.


Jessica - Feb 26, 2019 10:41:19 am PST #5327 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Did you write this article???

If I say yes, do I get paid?

I did a fair amount of research on care work last semester for a school paper, and it's amazing (and depressing) how repetitive the research is. Probably 90% of the studies I looked at could have been summarized as "tl;dr - men don't do shit."


Jesse - Feb 26, 2019 10:46:25 am PST #5328 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So I talked to the apartment manager. Good news: They've got a one-bedroom reserved for me at one of the other apartment buildings they run! Bad news: They need the old apartment cleaned out by Friday, which is kind of a problem since 90% of my stuff is fine, modulo a little smokiness. I figured I'd have another week to get everything set up.

Whoa, that is good news/bad news! Do you have to go to your job in between? And/or will your insurance pay for movers to pack your stuff?

They also noted the mean household income was over $300K, so maybe it's assumed that Merry Maids cleans all the houses of all 1,700 women who answered the survey? I think I'll ask the authors why housecleaning isn't included.

Yeah, that's an interesting question. Outdoor maintenance isn't on there, either.


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2019 10:49:28 am PST #5329 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Did you write this article???

If I say yes, do I get paid?

You'd have to ask your co-authors about that, because we don't pay shit to our authors.

Probably 90% of the studies I looked at could have been summarized as "tl;dr - men don't do shit."

This is a problem with Tim's RA. It affects mostly his hands/wrists, and then he has BAD osteoarthritis in his right elbow. He was never great at housecleaning before, but a lot of it causes him actual pain now. And that's legit. But I cannot do it all. I even mow the goddamn lawn from like April through the end of October because the grass will not stop growing in September like it should.

The answer is to hire cleaners, but our house is so cluttered that it feels like cleaners couldn't do much. But maybe not. Shit, even if we had a cleaner once a month, I could stay on top of stuff more easily.

To be fair, he handles all the bills/finances, grocery shops [with me], and cleans the litterbox every day. It's not like he does nothing. And also, he's been in school 2 nights a week until 9:30 p.m. since November, and he has homework, so I geniunely don't expect him to bust ass at housework on top of all of that. Picking up the slack has just really gotten to me, is all.


Jesse - Feb 26, 2019 10:59:39 am PST #5330 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

This reminds me of a question I have! People who pay other people to clean their house, how often do they come, and what do you do in between?


msbelle - Feb 26, 2019 11:24:24 am PST #5331 of 30019
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Chris remind me where you are.


Amy - Feb 26, 2019 11:30:57 am PST #5332 of 30019
Because books.

I have to literally invite people to come over so I'll clean. I keep the house picked up a little bit obsessively (clutter makes me really anxious), but actual cleaning I can let slide until I have to elbow dust bunnies out of the way. And I'm still working on how to motivate myself to those deep-cleaning things you should do once or twice a year.