Book: I believe I just... I think I'm on the wrong ship. Inara: Maybe. Or maybe you're exactly where you ought to be.

'Serenity'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Feb 26, 2019 10:06:15 am PST #5319 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

Of course all working mothers' domestic responsibilities affect their careers, but surgeons are a bit more able to afford paid help to assist with these responsibilities. And for sure What Jessica Said!


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2019 10:16:04 am PST #5320 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

female surgeons who are mothers, and how their domestic responsibilities affect their career

SPOILER ALERT THE ANSWER IS "WAY MORE THAN SURGEONS WHO ARE FATHERS"

So far, this is accurate. Did you write this article???

(The abstract also concludes "...increasing numbers of mothers in the medical workforce may create a demand for more equitable distribution and/or outsourcing of domestic tasks." Uh, NO SHIT.)


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 26, 2019 10:29:11 am PST #5321 of 30019
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My condolences, Fred.

Smooth convalescence~ma to your mom, sarameg.

How does any adult who's not disabled or royalty have less than 5 domestic tasks that are their sole responsibility?


chrismg - Feb 26, 2019 10:30:36 am PST #5322 of 30019
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

Oh,Jeez, Fred. So sorry you have to go through this.

So I talked to the apartment manager. Good news: They've got a one-bedroom reserved for me at one of the other apartment buildings they run! Bad news: They need the old apartment cleaned out by Friday, which is kind of a problem since 90% of my stuff is fine, modulo a little smokiness. I figured I'd have another week to get everything set up.


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2019 10:32:14 am PST #5323 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

How does any adult who's not disabled or royalty have less than 5 domestic tasks that are their sole responsibility?

Spouse/partner who does their fair share of the work? (Obviously doesn't apply to single people.)


Jessica - Feb 26, 2019 10:36:07 am PST #5324 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How does any adult who's not disabled or royalty have less than 5 domestic tasks that are their sole responsibility?

Be a heterosexual husband, pretty much.

Since 1965, the amount of household labor done by wives has been more or less cut in half (partially due to technology, i.e. dishwashers and partially due to some of that unpaid work shifting into the economic sphere i.e. housekeepers), and the amount of housework done by husbands has stayed exactly the same, which is to say, REALLY FUCKNG LOW. And housework tends to cut across gender lines in a way that assigns women most of the daily tasks (dishes, laundry, childcare) and men most of the once-in-a-while tasks (mowing the lawn).


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2019 10:37:54 am PST #5325 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Okay, here's the list of household tasks the study included (and please note that "housecleaning" isn't on the list at all, which is weird):

Routine childcare plans; back-up or emergency childcare plans; cooking; grocery shopping; shopping for children's clothing; vacation planning; helping with homework; laundry; home repairs; finances; and automobile maintenance.

They also noted the mean household income was over $300K, so maybe it's assumed that Merry Maids cleans all the houses of all 1,700 women who answered the survey? I think I'll ask the authors why housecleaning isn't included.


-t - Feb 26, 2019 10:40:44 am PST #5326 of 30019
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

They need the old apartment cleaned out by Friday

Whoa, that is fast. Can you use insurance money to hire movers to pack you up?

You could, theoretically, divide up your household tasks so that none of them are your sole responsibility, they are all shared. I doubt that really happens much, but it's possible, right? Assuming there is someone to share them with, of course.


Jessica - Feb 26, 2019 10:41:19 am PST #5327 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Did you write this article???

If I say yes, do I get paid?

I did a fair amount of research on care work last semester for a school paper, and it's amazing (and depressing) how repetitive the research is. Probably 90% of the studies I looked at could have been summarized as "tl;dr - men don't do shit."


Jesse - Feb 26, 2019 10:46:25 am PST #5328 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So I talked to the apartment manager. Good news: They've got a one-bedroom reserved for me at one of the other apartment buildings they run! Bad news: They need the old apartment cleaned out by Friday, which is kind of a problem since 90% of my stuff is fine, modulo a little smokiness. I figured I'd have another week to get everything set up.

Whoa, that is good news/bad news! Do you have to go to your job in between? And/or will your insurance pay for movers to pack your stuff?

They also noted the mean household income was over $300K, so maybe it's assumed that Merry Maids cleans all the houses of all 1,700 women who answered the survey? I think I'll ask the authors why housecleaning isn't included.

Yeah, that's an interesting question. Outdoor maintenance isn't on there, either.