Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.

'Out Of Gas'


Spike's Bitches 49: As usual, I'm here to help you, and I... are you naked under there?

Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Laura - Sep 11, 2019 4:12:42 am PDT #6297 of 8213
Our wings are not tired.

I was one of 4 and my mom was at home. She hadn't worked since WWII. Dad didn't do kids. He really just didn't know how to communicate with non-adults. He did take care of us when my mom had health issues, but we had a family friend who stayed with us to help. We were Mary's kids and he loved us as extensions of her, but we didn't really interact much until we were adults.

I managed to have 2, but 4 of my nephews, and my niece were only children. My brother made up for it by having children with 3 different moms. He had the last 2 with a women who had 4 already.


Rick - Sep 11, 2019 5:00:42 am PDT #6298 of 8213

There's an 8 year gap between me and Skippy. We had VERY different experiences.

I study gene-environment interaction, so I teach about differences in sibling experience in class. The differences can be large, especially if there is a big age gap. Promotions, job losses, divorce, parental medical problems can all shift the world.

In class I use my own mother as an example. She was 13 years younger than her siblings, and the age difference straddled crucial differences in the lives of her family and the world they lived in.

My mother's sibs were born to an impoverished Swedish couple, struggling to survive in a strange and confusing new country, in a language they did not understand. The sibs learned English as quickly as they could when they started school. They were embarrassed by the stench of foreignness that they carried with them and did everything they could to hide it. Their father struggled to find work as the country descended into the Great Depression, and economic worries were constant.

My mother was born to a prosperous Swedish-American couple, living in a nice house in a middle class neighborhood. That house was dominated by two American-born teenagers who taught her English in the crib. HER father was a respected union carpenter in a union town who always had plenty of work in the mobilization for WWII and the economic boom that followed. She lived in a world of baseball and hot dogs and optimism, and she felt free to love everything Swedish because she never had to worry that she was not American enough fit in.

I tell the class that my mother and her sibs had the same genetic parents but very different phenotypic parents, and very different environments created by those parents. These kinds of difference can set kids off on very different life trajectories.


Amy - Sep 11, 2019 5:48:02 am PDT #6299 of 8213
Because books.

That's fascinating, Rick. I think now, my kids are a little like that -- my oldest was born when his father and I were still happy, and we were comfortable, financially. My daughter, twelve years younger than him, grew up not knowing any home but her grandfather's, which was rundown and depressing, and a dad who barely worked. My middle guy got to experience both.


-t - Sep 11, 2019 6:07:51 am PDT #6300 of 8213
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That's so interesting, Rick! My mom's family was like that (she was the oldest and her brother was 15 years younger and my grandparents economic situation changed a lot over that time) and I always knew that his growing up experience was very different from hers but I never knew how to express it.


meara - Sep 11, 2019 8:06:22 am PDT #6301 of 8213

Very interesting, Rick!


DavidS - Sep 11, 2019 8:11:20 am PDT #6302 of 8213
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Fascinating family history, Rick.

My sister and I are eight years apart and our childhood experiences were so different we might as well have had different parents.


Hil R. - Sep 11, 2019 8:18:41 am PDT #6303 of 8213
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My dad is an only child. He has two first cousins, siblings who are 11 years apart. The younger one is pretty close to my dad's age, and the two families lived near each other and were really close. That younger sibling says that she feels more like my dad is her brother than like her actual brother was. Her older brother was born in Germany, and lived there as a small child, but then spent ages 5-10 or so moving to a bunch of different countries as refugees, before finally settling in New York when he was 10 or 11. His younger sister was born in New York in the mid-forties. She grew up bilingual, while her brother had to learn English as a teenager.


Fred Pete - Sep 11, 2019 9:54:46 am PDT #6304 of 8213
Ann, that's a ferret.

I guess I'm the exception that proves the rule. My brother and I are 19 months apart, and our lives didn't go through any fundamental changes like those described above. But he and I are as different as possible.

It's probably genetic. I'm very much my father's son, and my brother looks more closely related to our cousins on my mother's side than to me. And our personalities take the same track.


NoiseDesign - Sep 11, 2019 11:28:08 am PDT #6305 of 8213
Our wings are not tired

My sister and I would be a fascinating study in Nature vs. Nurture. We are very different, about 5.5 years apart in age. Both adopted, no major changes in the family unit or financial situation during our upbringing. She knew we were both adopted, I did not.


Jessica - Sep 11, 2019 11:52:04 am PDT #6306 of 8213
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's almost 10 years between me and my brother (and 2 sisters evenly spaced between us). Between the time when I was born to the time my brother was born, my dad went from being a broke-ass law student to a pretty successful lawyer, so we grew up in very different financial households. My childhood involved a LOT more frozen fish sticks than his did.