Wash: Well, I wash my hands of it. It's a hopeless case. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. Zoe: You could lock the door and keep the power-hungry maniac at bay. Wash: Oh, no, I'm starting to like this poetry idea now. Here lies my beloved Zoe, my autumn flower, somewhat less attractive now she's all corpsified and gross...

'Shindig'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Sep 18, 2018 5:25:18 am PDT #29693 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

That ship sailed within the first 24 hours after Dr Ford came forward.

Yeah, I agree that it's too late now regardless. I was thinking as a hypothetical. I listened to Emily Bazelon's take too and thought it was really good.

But everything else about his behavior tells me he's not a good man who did something bad long ago; he's a bad guy, then and now.

There are definitely other red flags.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:38:28 am PDT #29694 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There are definitely other red flags.

I mean the fact that he was nominated by a criminal for the sole purpose of excusing that person's criminal behavior was pretty damning to begin with.


Jesse - Sep 18, 2018 5:58:22 am PDT #29695 of 30002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

TCG came home with the biggest head of cabbage I have ever seen yesterday. It must weigh 5 lbs. another gift from a fellow employee. I have no idea what to do with it.

Sauerkraut would be my answer to this, but I realize not everyone likes it.

What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

100% this. I mean, I broke the law plenty in high school (in areas other than sexual assault!!), but I would admit it and I AM NOT BEING NOMINATED FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

Of course, I want him to be disqualified for all of the other lies he's been telling, never mind his actual positions.


Katerina Bee - Sep 18, 2018 6:01:04 am PDT #29696 of 30002
Herding cats for fun

Caught-lying Kavanaugh is not an appropriate choice for the Supreme Court.


msbelle - Sep 18, 2018 6:40:21 am PDT #29697 of 30002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I sexually harrassed someone in college, it might qualify as assault. I had no physical dominance in the situation, so his safety was never in question, but that hardly seems the point.

My headspace around the issue is not great, but its also not confused. This behavior is unacceptable even once.


quester - Sep 18, 2018 7:20:59 am PDT #29698 of 30002
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

The fact that Kavenaugh will be in a position to rule on any woman's body in any way, means his behavior toward some is germaign to the topic. And that he has offered no kind of apology, is relevant. Also, fuck him!


Amy - Sep 18, 2018 7:31:11 am PDT #29699 of 30002
Because books.

What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

This, absolutely.

Space-related semi-problem -- do I keep my Buffy and Angel DVDs? I haven't watched them in so long they're covered in dust, and they're available streaming. But there's that little part of me that whispers, what if someday they're not? Hmmm.


DebetEsse - Sep 18, 2018 7:34:56 am PDT #29700 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Probably too late, but my answer to the cabbage would be Kalua Pork and Cabbage (ideally made in an instant pot, but that's just 'cause it's easy).

I agree with the "(metaphorically) fuck that guy" responses on Kavanaugh. He also seems to be eminently blackmail-able, which is also exactly what you want in a justice t /irony font

BUT, assuming that's where we end up, they should feel free to burn another week or two before they give up on him.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 18, 2018 7:36:24 am PDT #29701 of 30002
What is even happening?

I agree with Emily Bazelon's take (which she articulated on the Gabfest, not sure if there's a written version) - more or less that we should take into account that he was a minor at the time and unless more women come forward to demonstrate a pattern of behavior extending into adulthood (which has not happened, yet), one criminal act as a minor should not be an automatic disqualification. What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

I didn't hear Bazelon's take, but what Jessica said seems right to me.

I thought this piece by Caitlin Flanagan in The Atlantic was thoughtful.

Trigger warning: the writer was sexually assaulted, but the piece is not graphic and the boy stopped and later apologized to her.


Fred Pete - Sep 18, 2018 7:44:09 am PDT #29702 of 30002
Ann, that's a ferret.

Maybe it's a function of being male, but I say no without even getting to that issue. To me, withholding so many documents from the Committee, and dumping so many others on the Committee with no time to review before the confirmation hearings start equals, at minimum, a need to wait until the complete record is available and it's possible to know what they're hiding.

That said, I believe that Ford is telling the truth (with the caveat that she may have imperfect recall of the details, by which I mean that she may remember that his shirt was blue when in fact it might have brown). And that dismissing the incident as misreading signals/overenthusiasm or the like is outrageous.