But that's just my point! You she obeys! She obeys you! There's obeying going on right under my nose!

Wash ,'War Stories'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Katerina Bee - Sep 18, 2018 6:01:04 am PDT #29696 of 30002
Herding cats for fun

Caught-lying Kavanaugh is not an appropriate choice for the Supreme Court.


msbelle - Sep 18, 2018 6:40:21 am PDT #29697 of 30002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I sexually harrassed someone in college, it might qualify as assault. I had no physical dominance in the situation, so his safety was never in question, but that hardly seems the point.

My headspace around the issue is not great, but its also not confused. This behavior is unacceptable even once.


quester - Sep 18, 2018 7:20:59 am PDT #29698 of 30002
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

The fact that Kavenaugh will be in a position to rule on any woman's body in any way, means his behavior toward some is germaign to the topic. And that he has offered no kind of apology, is relevant. Also, fuck him!


Amy - Sep 18, 2018 7:31:11 am PDT #29699 of 30002
Because books.

What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

This, absolutely.

Space-related semi-problem -- do I keep my Buffy and Angel DVDs? I haven't watched them in so long they're covered in dust, and they're available streaming. But there's that little part of me that whispers, what if someday they're not? Hmmm.


DebetEsse - Sep 18, 2018 7:34:56 am PDT #29700 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Probably too late, but my answer to the cabbage would be Kalua Pork and Cabbage (ideally made in an instant pot, but that's just 'cause it's easy).

I agree with the "(metaphorically) fuck that guy" responses on Kavanaugh. He also seems to be eminently blackmail-able, which is also exactly what you want in a justice t /irony font

BUT, assuming that's where we end up, they should feel free to burn another week or two before they give up on him.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 18, 2018 7:36:24 am PDT #29701 of 30002
What is even happening?

I agree with Emily Bazelon's take (which she articulated on the Gabfest, not sure if there's a written version) - more or less that we should take into account that he was a minor at the time and unless more women come forward to demonstrate a pattern of behavior extending into adulthood (which has not happened, yet), one criminal act as a minor should not be an automatic disqualification. What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

I didn't hear Bazelon's take, but what Jessica said seems right to me.

I thought this piece by Caitlin Flanagan in The Atlantic was thoughtful.

Trigger warning: the writer was sexually assaulted, but the piece is not graphic and the boy stopped and later apologized to her.


Fred Pete - Sep 18, 2018 7:44:09 am PDT #29702 of 30002
Ann, that's a ferret.

Maybe it's a function of being male, but I say no without even getting to that issue. To me, withholding so many documents from the Committee, and dumping so many others on the Committee with no time to review before the confirmation hearings start equals, at minimum, a need to wait until the complete record is available and it's possible to know what they're hiding.

That said, I believe that Ford is telling the truth (with the caveat that she may have imperfect recall of the details, by which I mean that she may remember that his shirt was blue when in fact it might have brown). And that dismissing the incident as misreading signals/overenthusiasm or the like is outrageous.


DebetEsse - Sep 18, 2018 7:46:19 am PDT #29703 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, he was a hard no before this stuff, Now he's a "and the horse you rode in on" no.


Dana - Sep 18, 2018 7:50:48 am PDT #29704 of 30002
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

one criminal act as a minor should not be an automatic disqualification.

I agree with this in general, but it frustrates me to no end that we're spending so much time trying to figure out these fine points of character and redemption and guilt and absolution while the larger problem is still so...large. You know? I'm not saying it's not an important conversation. It's incredibly important. But I would like to see having non-sexual-assaulty-men in positions of power be a higher priority. (And more women in positions of power, more diversity, etc.)

And technically I realize that there's no reason we can't have these things concurrently, but it seems like the national conversation gets so absorbed in the first part that it gets 80% of the discussion when it's 20% of the problem.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 18, 2018 7:59:45 am PDT #29705 of 30002
What is even happening?

I agree Dana. That frustrates me in the same way the worry pieces about comebacks for people like Louis CK do.

I also agree with you, Debet. For me, Kavanaugh was a hard no because of his stances, and then a harder no, when it was clear how shifty he is, and gave dishonest answers in the Judiciary Committee hearings. With him in particular, the attempted rape is the poop sauce on the shit sundae. My other comments were to the more general topic.