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Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:10:21 am PDT #29685 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I agree with Emily Bazelon's take (which she articulated on the Gabfest, not sure if there's a written version) - more or less that we should take into account that he was a minor at the time and unless more women come forward to demonstrate a pattern of behavior extending into adulthood (which has not happened, yet), one criminal act as a minor should not be an automatic disqualification. What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.


Steph L. - Sep 18, 2018 5:11:03 am PDT #29686 of 30002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

It wasn't awkward teen sex, it was pretty unambiguously rape.

And this isn't a trial, it's a job interview. He's a fucking SCOTUS nominee. He should be held to a higher standard. The HIGHEST standard. SCOTUS judges should be SQUEAKY CLEAN.

^^^^^This. I can't say it any better.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:11:35 am PDT #29687 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If he were the type to admit guilt and apologize, he would've done it already.

Even if he does it now, his FIRST response was to lie about it. Repeatedly. That ship sailed within the first 24 hours after Dr Ford came forward.


juliana - Sep 18, 2018 5:13:23 am PDT #29688 of 30002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

This. Absolutely this.


Sparky1 - Sep 18, 2018 5:14:40 am PDT #29689 of 30002
Librarian Warlord

If he is lying about it now, yes, that should disqualify him.

As to whether something he did in High School should disqualify him, this is a lifetime appointment to a place that will determine the rights we all have going forward. SO FUCK YES. Ahem. This society holds women and minorities responsible for youthful actions all the time so fix that and judge them by the standard we judge rich white males.

I believe her. She's still paying for his actions.

Also, when I worked in CA I knew about Kozinski, so he's lying about that, too, I believe.


Zenkitty - Sep 18, 2018 5:17:02 am PDT #29690 of 30002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Yeah, it's the lying and the cover-ups that definitively disqualify him. While I am not inclined to be forgiving about attempted rape, I could maybe let it go because he was a foolish youth. But everything else about his behavior tells me he's not a good man who did something bad long ago; he's a bad guy, then and now.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:24:27 am PDT #29691 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

This society holds women and minorities responsible for youthful actions all the time so fix that and judge them by the standard we judge rich white males.

I really strongly disagree with this. If we want to remove the double standard at play, this response justifies the wrong side of it.


Dana - Sep 18, 2018 5:25:05 am PDT #29692 of 30002
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Given the fact that the Supreme Court is frequently ruling on things that affect my entire gender, I feel pretty comfortable excluding someone who's behaved that way towards a woman. I mean, boo fucking hoo, asshole.

I'm really angry about the whole thing, though. And I'm also about to kill my coworker, who is sharing her screen with me AND reading me the multi-paragraph email draft that I can see.


Gudanov - Sep 18, 2018 5:25:18 am PDT #29693 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

That ship sailed within the first 24 hours after Dr Ford came forward.

Yeah, I agree that it's too late now regardless. I was thinking as a hypothetical. I listened to Emily Bazelon's take too and thought it was really good.

But everything else about his behavior tells me he's not a good man who did something bad long ago; he's a bad guy, then and now.

There are definitely other red flags.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:38:28 am PDT #29694 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There are definitely other red flags.

I mean the fact that he was nominated by a criminal for the sole purpose of excusing that person's criminal behavior was pretty damning to begin with.