There are no absolutes. No right and wrong. Haven't you learned anything working for the Powers? There are only choices.

Jasmine ,'Power Play'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Glamcookie - Nov 14, 2016 7:51:32 am PST #2094 of 30002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I am being jumped on and told that my fears for people's lives (including my own) are secondary to dissecting why Trump won, I just...


Tom Scola - Nov 14, 2016 7:55:26 am PST #2095 of 30002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I am so deeply troubled and depressed by so-called white liberal women in the Pantsuit Nation.

Unfortunately, given what I saw from some of the PUMAs in 2008, I'm not surprised by it.


Maria - Nov 14, 2016 7:55:30 am PST #2096 of 30002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Fuck her, Glam. I am sorry I didn't jump in sooner.

msbelle, kitty~ma to you and the furball. I hope it's not the end, but if it is, it's easy.


Glamcookie - Nov 14, 2016 7:58:56 am PST #2097 of 30002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

This has seriously fucked me up. I thought we as Democratic women who supported HRC knew better. I thought people wanted to listen, to understand, to change, to be better. I am devastated.


Beverly - Nov 14, 2016 7:59:00 am PST #2098 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh, GC. I've spent a good part of my time lately encouraging people to acknowledge and accept the reality and get to work to minimize whatever damage they can, especially for those who are most at risk during this administration. We can dissect and discuss a few months down the road when we'll have a much better perspective on the whole process.

Dissection, discussion, weebling right now is not so much processing as refusing to accept reality and deal with it, wasting time and ignoring the work that we need to do. I'm sorry you're having to deal with that.


lisah - Nov 14, 2016 7:59:43 am PST #2099 of 30002
Punishingly Intricate

I am being jumped on and told that my fears for people's lives (including my own) are secondary to dissecting why Trump won, I just...
Grrrrr just saw that thread.


Glamcookie - Nov 14, 2016 8:05:43 am PST #2100 of 30002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

How do we educate our white family and friends? It is on us to change this. I am so angry and furious that I know I'm not being productive in my conversations and I know I need to change that. I'm just trying to wrap my head around that when I see such selfishness and ignorance on my own side. I'm beginning to think we've really lost. This is it.


Laura - Nov 14, 2016 8:07:31 am PST #2101 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

I want to leave Mac home with a frozen pizza and pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving and go over to spend two days with my parents.

Oh yeah, I know this feeling well. This year I actually am leaving them on Christmas! But they are 22 and 24, they can just deal.


Maria - Nov 14, 2016 8:10:03 am PST #2102 of 30002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

lisah, jump in please, if you can.

I'm so disappointed, Glam. I'm sorry.


Beverly - Nov 14, 2016 8:15:41 am PST #2103 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Congratulations, Callaluna!

I'm lucky in not having family nearby--or on FB. I wish those of you who do well. I do know that I've walked away from unproductive circular discussions and just gotten to work. A lot of time I'm not missed, some of the time I'm looked at like I'm crazy (so used to that), and some, rare times, I'm followed.

We do what we can.