So I broke my toe Monday night. And now I'm waiting to get a wisdom tooth extraction.

{{tommyrot}} Talk about pain from head to toe!

Out of curiosity, when you first were taught about the Civil War in school were you taught that it wasn't really about slavery?

My heritage and schooling is all NE Yankee, and I don't remember it being taught as anything but all about slavery.

Also, I am having a hard time totally ignoring my nephew and his repeated posts about us destroying history and so forth with removing statues. Of course always with side comments about how enlightened and not bigoted he is. Ignoring him is best. Ignoring him is best. Ignoring him is best.

Yikes, tommyrot! Healing~ma.

Gudanov, I was taught that the Civil War was all about slavery. I was in a school in Michigan when we covered it, though. I suspect that the topic might have been addressed differently if I'd been in NC when we went over it.

Hil, that's unfortunate. It's not like there aren't plenty of videos showing people being jaw-droppingly racist out there that could be used.

Yeah. I'm not trying to say, "Don't have a conversation about racism." I'm trying to say, "Don't say that antisemitism is irrelevant when you just posted a video of a woman holding a baby and saying that she wants to murder Jews."

I have no memory of learning about the civil war in school. Or much of anything else, for that matter. So I couldn't say.

I'm with Jessica--dehydration may cause/be one of the causes of a headache for me, but once the headache happens, drinking water isn't really effective (at least in the short term?) especially if it's a migraine.

I'm pretty sure that I was taught that the Civil War was about slavery. I remember thinking it was ridiculous when I learned that some people said it was about other stuff.

Hil those people need to be told to find a different video. Knowingly putting by up a video of someone who espouses killing anyone, even if they do not say that in the clip they post, is invalidating any inclusionary point they are trying to make.

In the clip, the woman says something like, "I think there should be another genocide. I mean, a genocide. Those people are like poison. I want there to be opportunities for my white children." It was pretty clear to me that "those people" were Jews, and the full clip that I found definitely says so, but the person who posted it thought that the woman was talking about POC, and now the person who posted it is saying that, since she posted it to start a conversation about POC, any discussion of antisemitism or the Holocaust on her post is derailing. It seems like the only welcome comments are, "I support POC." (Which, of course, I do, but I'm angry that people are just blithely saying, "Oh, but this video was just given as an example of what POC face -- it doesn't matter who she was actually talking about." And one person who said that she's sure that the woman in the video doesn't even know what the Holocaust was, because she's clearly uneducated, and that's just not how white supremacy works -- I guarantee, every white supremacist in the country knows about the Holocaust (whether they believe it happened or not) and has an opinion about Jews. In the full video, her husband even says something like, "I don't really care so much about the blacks -- it's the Jews who are ruining everything.")

And now I somehow got into a different discussion about the same video on Twitter.

Tooth extraction went OK. There was no drilling this time.

I learned at a young age that the civil war was about slavery. I don't remember if we learned that in school or if I just read about it, possibly in our World Book Encyclopedia.

Out of curiosity, when you first were taught about the Civil War in school were you taught that it wasn't really about slavery? I recall from third grade that I was taught that and it really wasn't until in college when watching a documentary that I realized that it really was all about slavery.

I had a bit of the opposite- in NYS it was always all about slavery and also a bit about how great we are in the North and how great it was that Rochester had Frederick Douglass and Susan B. ANthony and other great abolitionists.

In college is when I first heard that it was not "all about slavery", but I think it was presented more as an antidote to the "Aren't the North and Lincoln the great saviors of all slaves who are wonderful good people unlike those horrible confederates" than a real argument that states rights were the only reason.