Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - May 15, 2017 8:46:12 am PDT #11447 of 30002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So apparently its familial, to use the smarts to be more lazy!

Oh, hey, I'm pretty sure I inherited that from my father, too. Although I think he had more Issues than I knew about -- it sounds like he was more prone to depression (or something) than I could see as a kid. Anyway, I think we're the same, but I'm better at hiding my fuck-up times. I think he got fired a fair amount.


Calli - May 15, 2017 8:57:09 am PDT #11448 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Grumpy Aunt Louise is just going to have to live on the charity of family members, and she has to do it without Percocet or Neurontin.

Depending on the timeframe (up until early/mid-20th century), Grumpy Aunt Louise probably had access to laudanum, i.e. 10% opium tincture. She still probably was dependent on others to get stuff done, but she might not have cared so much.

But, yeah, the current mindset of painkillers=bad due to the opioid abuse issue bothers me. Because we developed painkillers for good reasons—pain sucks and can ruin your life.


Connie Neil - May 15, 2017 9:11:30 am PDT #11449 of 30002
brillig

As the Lexapro dials back the chemical anxiety, my learned anxiety is, well, anxious for a reason to exist. I have blamed myself for random things I have no possible responsibility for for decades, and I've just stuffed it down and worked around it. When the anxiety rises, I try to convince it that it can retire now, go part-time, it doesn't have to lurk around like Hamlet's Ghost looking for purpose. I try telling myself that my thoughts aren't me, but I got into a nasty existential loop of "Well, then, who the hell am I?"


Fred Pete - May 15, 2017 9:17:00 am PDT #11450 of 30002
Ann, that's a ferret.

Painkillers are like so many other things -- extremely valuable when used properly, but extremely dangerous when used improperly. When my back has gone out, a little painkiller and/or muscle relaxant goes a long way. But it's a short-term fix, not long-term. Even after surgery, I've relied on less than the prescribed dosages after a couple of days.

Although to be fair, I've never had any long-term pain problems. And I don't know how I'd deal with long-term pain where no other fix was available.


Atropa - May 15, 2017 9:23:54 am PDT #11451 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Depending on the timeframe (up until early/mid-20th century), Grumpy Aunt Louise probably had access to laudanum, i.e. 10% opium tincture. She still probably was dependent on others to get stuff done, but she might not have cared so much.

On the days the migraines or the chronic pain are bad, I have been known to whine about the lack of laudanum in my life.


Atropa - May 15, 2017 9:26:10 am PDT #11452 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

And in the "Am I being a lazy slacker, or is this depression/other brain chemical stuff" discussion: I have stuff to do for work. But after the back-to-back Disneyland and Vampire Ball events, I am so full of don'wanna. Tho' I suspect a good part of it is that I'm just really tired, and would like to go back to bed.


Amy - May 15, 2017 9:38:41 am PDT #11453 of 30002
Because books.

"Am I being a lazy slacker, or is this depression/other brain chemical stuff"

For me it's this, plus having too much to do sometimes, so I don't know where to begin. (Is that executive function stuff?)

And related to the dishwasher conversation, I literally just found two plates in ours, unrinsed, with General Tso's chicken sauce dried on them. Like those will ever come clean without someone at least rinsing and wiping them first. ::shakes fist at children::


Steph L. - May 15, 2017 9:50:02 am PDT #11454 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I washed my dishes a little bit ago entirely because of this conversation.

Grumpy Aunt Louise is just going to have to live on the charity of family members, and she has to do it without Percocet or Neurontin.

Depending on the timeframe (up until early/mid-20th century), Grumpy Aunt Louise probably had access to laudanum, i.e. 10% opium tincture. She still probably was dependent on others to get stuff done, but she might not have cared so much.

Having laudanum would have helped a whole damn lot, but I am so grateful to be alive in the 21st century, because laudanum only deals with the pain, but it can't make you fully functional again like surgery does. Modern medicine is freaking amazing.

But, yeah, the current mindset of painkillers=bad due to the opioid abuse issue bothers me. Because we developed painkillers for good reasons—pain sucks and can ruin your life.

This is one of my huge soapboxes. Cincinnati has a big heroin problem, and the thing is, some addicts are patients with chronic pain who can't get painkillers from their doctors because modern medicine is also freaking stupid.


-t - May 15, 2017 9:54:25 am PDT #11455 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I alternate among thankfulness that I've come so far, frustration with what I'm still dealing with, and bitterness about how anxiety has affected every single aspect of my life to date.

With you on that, with ADHD and depression in place of anxiety. I can bounce between them pretty fast.

You are who thinks the thoughts, Connie. Which may or may not help, but it's something to think about. I rationally believe that there isn't really an "I" at the core of my being, but I don't emotionally feel it. But rationally thinking so can be a comfort.

Like those will ever come clean without someone at least rinsing and wiping them first.

Cascade Platinum, y'all. It's amazing.


-t - May 15, 2017 9:55:00 am PDT #11456 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Poor Aunt Louise.