Jayne (Husband): Oh, I think you might wanna reconsider that last part. See, I married me a powerful ugly creature. Mal (Wife): How can you say that? How can you shame me in front of new people? Jayne (Husband): If I could make you purtier, I would. Mal (Wife): You are not the man I met a year ago.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


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Steph L. - Mar 05, 2021 8:51:09 pm PST #3225 of 3942
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

Really fucking disturbing how Hayward didn’t hesitate to shoot 2 10-year-olds and a Black woman.


Steph L. - Mar 05, 2021 9:13:12 pm PST #3226 of 3942
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

Also, did y’all know there are TWO post-credits scenes? FYI.

[edit] Okay, I posted that after midnight last night, and only this morning do I realize that Daniel already posted it. I am indeed a skimmer (but not a skipper).


-t - Mar 06, 2021 7:49:13 am PST #3227 of 3942
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think I am pleased that Hayward's villainy was just the result of his wanting a sentient weapon. I was sure he was going to be Hydra and it is, I think, better that he is just some guy who could have been a good guy but just dropped all ethics and morale when they got to be inconvenient


-t - Mar 06, 2021 7:54:42 am PST #3228 of 3942
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Also, I am into Monica Rambeau and whatever her powers are. I wasn't sure about the eye color change thing at first but I like that it's different colors (depending, I presume, on what she's doing?)


Calli - Mar 08, 2021 8:16:18 am PST #3229 of 3942
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I agree about Hayward, -t. I think it's too easy to make all the bad guys Hydra, which really discounts the many, manifold ways people have found to be horrible. You don't have to worship Red Skull to be power hungry and corrupt. History has given us a whole smorgasbord of options. Yay.


juliana - Mar 08, 2021 9:34:34 am PST #3230 of 3942
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I was generally happy with the finale, but I wish that Wanda had made more of a gesture towards restitution. I get that she could not have personally stayed in the town and helped to repair it, because that would re-traumatize the residents, but it kind of felt like she could have at least asked Monica to keep her updated/offered to chuck money at the town/even just refurbished the town sign on her way out.


-t - Mar 08, 2021 9:46:42 am PST #3231 of 3942
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That did not sit too well with me, either. I hope it's addressed in some way next time we see her.


amyparker - Mar 08, 2021 10:24:06 am PST #3232 of 3942
In the end it's only ever been one step, and then the next.

I saw a summary that was "the hero worked through her trauma and healed/the villain got away, and they were the same character", and - yeah. One woman of color who'd been wronged by Wanda offered sympathy, and that was her right, but the person who lingers in my mind is another woman of color who stood there, weeping and frightened and alone, who said "Tell my husband never to come back here". And Wanda silenced her, and everyone else who spoke up about being harmed by her actions. Sure, she stopped, and I agree with juliana's point that her continued presence would have prevented the work going forward, but Wanda got to just pull up the Hoodie of Sadness and walk out after all of that?

Hayward was an asshole, and a villain, and I am delighted that Darcy hit him with a funnel cake truck. That Marvel keeps making the people saying "There has to be a mechanism for accountability and redress when non-powered people are harmed" the bad guys ("Thunderbolt" Ross, anyone?) comes across as "Welp, this is complicated, and the audience likes the booms, so . . . ."


Steph L. - Mar 08, 2021 10:43:16 am PST #3233 of 3942
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

WandaVision is taking place roughly 3-4 weeks after Endgame, based on Monica un-dusting and then Hawyard saying it took her only 3 weeks to return to SWORD. So the town of Westview was undoubtedly traumatized by the Snap, and then 3 weeks later got massively mind-controlled.

I said this after Infinity War, but Marvel got in WAY over its head in literally killing half the global population and then bringing them back. People are way too functional post-Endgame, in terms of the sheer psychological trauma. The limits of my suspension of disbelief apparently lie with psychological trauma.


amyparker - Mar 08, 2021 11:05:09 am PST #3234 of 3942
In the end it's only ever been one step, and then the next.

The limits of my suspension of disbelief apparently lie with psychological trauma.

(points at this and nods)