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but in retrospect it lost its loveliness as I considered the implications.
If you're talking the whole "Steve just let 9/11 happen" thing I have my fingers in my ears and LALALALALALALAICAN'THEARYOU!!
I'm going with the Alternate Timeline theory that the movie sets up. Steve went and gave back all the Stones but one... probably the Time Stone. Then he lives this great life with Peggy where they ran SHIELD and saved Bucky and, hell, maybe even hauled his double's ass out of the ice and it was SUPER AWESOME. And after Peggy died he put on the Quantum Suit, dropped the Time Stone with Bald Tilda Swinton, and went to sit on a bench and wait for Sam.
Oh gosh no, 9/11 hadn't occurred to me. Oh, if we're thinking tragic events... where would you start? Let alone stop? The main problem is I have to figure out how the hell timelines work. If he can show up in this one, then he can't have changed very much - which means he DIDN'T save Bucky, or prevent Hydra from whatever. He just um... went back to Peggy and then hid for seventy years? Or else he's hopping timelines, which okay but... Well. It makes me run in circles trying to figure it out.
Oh, if we're thinking tragic events... where would you start? Let alone stop?
9/11, Rwandan Genocide, Rohinga genocide, the famines in China caused by Mao's policies (memfault on the name), Vietnam war, Ebola outbreaks, Syrian civil war... I mean, there's a LOT.
I would rather Steve didn't go back in time because either he lets all that shit happen and he's not Steve Rogers, or he dies trying to stop them (and fails anyway).
Timey wimey hijinks never go well in anything more serious than dr who
Old tagline:
"I hate temporal anomalies." ⬧ Miles O'Brien, DS9
I don't even mind all that - I really don't see how he can "fix" history, even if he wanted to - but I also don't buy the "we never saw Agent Carter's husband" story; he's overwriting her children.
Actually, to be clear, I am torn. I get that there's some lovely symmetry to it, and I really did feel warm and gooey when I saw it in theaters. It just gets worse the longer I think about it.
The writers have said they feel the children were always Caps kids.
I have only watched Captain America, Avengers, and Winter Soldier and read a lot of Steve/Bucky fanfic, so this is very odd to me.
The writers have said they feel the children were always Caps kids.
The Russos, on the other hand, who are way better about details than the writers (the writers are the sort who should just not...talk, bless, and there's no way for it to be same timeline without contradicting massive amounts of the text), are on the alternate timeline train.
Which, you know, so am I. We know Loki made one, 'cause he gets a DisneyPlus series about it.
