'Objects In Space'
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They better have Tony making some smart remark and Steve snarking back properly as part of their reconciliation.
Ideally I want them both to say "I'm sorry" at the same time, then smile, then Bucky comes in and it's all problematic again but they can at least work together.
I was not wild about Spider-Man. It stressed me out that he was such a menace! Stop causing disasters, kid! Call the cops and go home!!
I kept thinking, "THIS is why we have then Sugovia Accords. Stop making wanton destruction of public property and imperiling the lives of those you seek to protect a THING, dude."
Go clean your room. Get some perspective.
But still, I loved it otherwise.
I was not wild about Spider-Man. It stressed me out that he was such a menace! Stop causing disasters, kid! Call the cops and go home!!
But that was the point. He was 15, and the whole point of a Spidey origin film is the whole With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility thing. He was supposed to fuck up. Because he was 15, which is (no pun intended) in stark contrast to the OG Avengers, who are comparatively old as shit. (And also keep fucking things up nonetheless.)
Plus the whole "No one takes me seriously that I see trouble coming because I'm just a kid, so I have to do something" thing.
Plus the whole "No one takes me seriously that I see trouble coming because I'm just a kid, so I have to do something" thing.
I get that, for the purposes of character growth, the film had to have Happy ignore Peter's calls, or else Iron Man would come to the rescue every single time (instead of just a couple of times). But that got old REALLY quickly.
But that was the point.
I get that, I just didn't find it enjoyable.
I was actually surprised--though I shouldn't have been, I guess--that the Vulture turned out to be who he was. That car ride with the realizations on both sides was very stressful to watch.
It was SO stressful! But really well done.
Totally agreed on that point, Connie. Super stressful.
the OG Avengers, who are comparatively old as shit.
Well, that it true, too.
It would be interesting to see a storyline that addressed Peter's realization that as far as origin stories go, his is surprisingly trauma-lite. Yeah, his uncle was murdered, but it's not suffering through multiple life-threatening illnesses during the Great Depression then going to war, nor being manipulated by the Red Room, nor escaping an abusive family and joining a circus, nor being captured and tortured by terrorists. Heck, until Peter showed up, Thor had the most nurturing childhood of any of them (as far as the OG Avengers go, that is, Sam's Mama trumps them all).
Maybe Peter asking Tony what makes a supervillain, and Tony describing someone with wealth and massive computer and engineering skills out to right wrongs and avenge his own hurts . Peter says "Dr. Doom?" and Tony says, "Me, if I hadn't had people who loved me. And given the existence of Ultron in the world, there's a plausible argument that those people who love me didn't make much difference."