Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Aug 04, 2014 11:13:38 am PDT #3435 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

People are pretty shitty to/about atheists, but maybe that could be a separate topic instead of folding it into LGBT.

Yeah, and I wouldn't expect the people who are preparing a session about LGBT to be able to just throw in another mostly-unrelated topic. (Like, I've seen people who are really good at feminist and LGBT ally stuff try to talk about antisemitism and ended up looking like asses, just because they didn't know a lot of stuff, and "Here's how to be an ally to group A" doesn't always translate into "Here's how to be an ally to group B," other than the obvious really basic stuff.)


§ ita § - Aug 04, 2014 11:26:30 am PDT #3436 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe 10 minutes on atheist LGBT (see? not even Q!) people will be the sop they need. Their issues must be so much different (worse?) than the average.


Ginger - Aug 04, 2014 11:30:50 am PDT #3437 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Basically stop drinking tea

The Food Babe is kind of a questionable source. Her views of GMOs, which she seems to think are something like arsenic, are on the wacky side. It is true that several studies have found pesticides in most tea, and that there are concerns about how heat releases some plastic compounds. (Interestingly, the study she cites was paid for by an investment company that wanted to short Celestial Seasons stock.) However, it's hard to know what the amount of pesticides means. At least half of the crops certified as organic contain some pesticides, because of the amount of pesticides in the environment. The amount you'd consume in a cup of tea is tiny.

Her rant about natural flavors is kind of odd, too. There is no Earl Grey without bergamot oil. Also, I figure anyone who buys grape-flavored tea shouldn't have too many illusions about its naturalness.

I should buckle down and pick leaves from my completely organic tea plant and have the world's smallest tea company. I've tried, but it takes a hell of a lot of picking for enough tea for cup.


Typo Boy - Aug 04, 2014 11:36:28 am PDT #3438 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Also don't think it is proven that atheists face worse discrimination than lgbt. A higher percent of the population may be prejudiced against atheists, but I suspect both the practical discrimination and the depth of the hatred is worse for LGBT. As in there is still legal discrimination against LGBT. And also you get more people ranting passionately against lgbt (not using that term) and openly opposing lgbt rights.


Steph L. - Aug 04, 2014 11:39:17 am PDT #3439 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Also don't think it is proven that atheists face worse discrimination than lgbt.

I thought that was a given. I mean, people *are* shitty to atheists, but they don't tend to get killed, AFAIK, for being atheists. t edit Someone probably has, I bet. Still, it doesn't seem to compare.

(Not that quantifying discrimination is anything but a fool's game. No one wins the Oppression Olympics.)


Strix - Aug 04, 2014 11:46:01 am PDT #3440 of 30000
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Does anyone know where the Great Nail Polish Box is? I have a bunch of colors I'd like to get rid of...(part and parcel of the pre-moving purge.)


Polgara - Aug 04, 2014 11:46:35 am PDT #3441 of 30000
Karma is a cat, sleeping in my lap cuz it loves me. ~TS

Has there been a specific incident at your place of work, Hil, that would garner that particular kind of request?


Ginger - Aug 04, 2014 11:52:46 am PDT #3442 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There's polling that shows that the mistrust and dislike for atheists is remarkably high, but I haven't seen any data about how that translates into discrimination. I think it's a fundamentally different question. LGBT discrimination is directed at what people are, not what they believe.


Amy - Aug 04, 2014 12:19:58 pm PDT #3443 of 30000
Because books.

I love Ginger. That's all!


Hil R. - Aug 04, 2014 12:52:36 pm PDT #3444 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Has there been a specific incident at your place of work, Hil, that would garner that particular kind of request?

Nothing that I know of. I mean, there's a preacher who's always standing outside one of the buildings telling everyone that they're going to hell, but he's been there for about 30 years.