You know, it's funny. We went to war never looking to come back, but it's the real world I couldn't survive.

Tracy ,'The Message'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Sep 22, 2013 7:26:21 am PDT #6090 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

FFS.

Consensual dining experience.


beekaytee - Sep 22, 2013 7:26:28 am PDT #6091 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

The Forum is a hard call. So _many_ people I know have gone through it. Some got immediate and fairly positive change.

In the end though, for most of them, whatever the effects were ultimately wore off and they've each gone back to something close to their default selves. Not all, I hasten to add.

An orientation meeting I went to...at the begging of a recent graduate...did give me a phrase I use often in my own life.

When you are trying to share your experience with someone, "Glow on them, don't sunburn them."

It's a great phrase that is sadly underused by the recent grads of the Forum!

I personally have no problem with brainwashing when it is consensual. Sadly, lots of folks who enter the Forum and its ilk don't have the filters to separate themselves from the process enough to benefit from it without being consumed by it.

eta: hilarious 'consensual' crosspost. I was typing while Hil was commenting, I swear.


Hil R. - Sep 22, 2013 7:28:40 am PDT #6092 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Here's the Cafe Gratitude menu. (Or, one of them, anyway. They've got a bunch of locations in California, and I think they're opening a new one in Kansas City, or somewhere really unlikely-sounding like that. [link] )


Laura - Sep 22, 2013 7:31:19 am PDT #6093 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I won't go to those restaurants anyway, because they're the ones where all the dishes have names like "I am empowered" or "I am enlightened," and you have to order by saying, "I am enlightened," and then the waiter responds, "You are enlightened."

That is really hysterical! And yeah, I wouldn't eat there either.


Hil R. - Sep 22, 2013 7:31:27 am PDT #6094 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It looks like the menus at the locations other than the Berkeley one don't have all the "I am" things. I know they used to. I guess people in places other than Berkeley weren't as willing to play along.


Amy - Sep 22, 2013 7:32:29 am PDT #6095 of 30000
Because books.

Okay, who's opening the restaurant where the menu items are all, "I'm bitter" and "I'm disillusioned" and "I'm fucking peeved"?


Jesse - Sep 22, 2013 7:32:40 am PDT #6096 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I am...going to punch you in the face if you don't bring me some quinoa.


Pix - Sep 22, 2013 7:33:34 am PDT #6097 of 30000
The status is NOT quo.

That would be the Roadkill Cafe. No kidding.


Pix - Sep 22, 2013 7:33:35 am PDT #6098 of 30000
The status is NOT quo.

Didn't need to be said twice.


brenda m - Sep 22, 2013 7:33:47 am PDT #6099 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

We were just talking about that in NOLA.