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Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Sep 19, 2013 3:48:01 am PDT #5703 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
-t - Sep 19, 2013 4:44:11 am PDT #5704 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'm blaming my sub par sleep on the harvest moon.
That phrase confuses me, sub par, I shouldn't use it. I didn't sleep great is what I mean.
§ ita § - Sep 19, 2013 5:07:22 am PDT #5705 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is network TV past "no homo!" yet or not? I look at this billboard [link] and think no, whatever sexuality Seah Hayes character is (I thought I'd read gay, but the page [link] that image is from doesn't mention it--MAYBE WE ARE BEYOND THAT)
![[link]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-876HzttSFX8/UiN79OxxZeI/AAAAAAABKqA/4xC4lFQH5QM/s1600/nbc+family+comedies+2013+billboard.jpg){kind=link}
Jesse - Sep 19, 2013 5:33:44 am PDT #5706 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I've read where the character is gay, but had tried being with a woman,which is where the daughter came from. So I don't know what we are or are not past...
My face is so numb. Ugh!
Amy - Sep 19, 2013 5:39:27 am PDT #5707 of 30000
Because books.
There was the openly gay couple on The New Normal.
Jessica - Sep 19, 2013 5:40:31 am PDT #5708 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I saw the pilot so long ago the details are fuzzy (also the show wasn't that good) but I think Hayes' character was closeted and married, but is now out and divorced.
§ ita § - Sep 19, 2013 7:25:51 am PDT #5709 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
So the three male-female pairs and the one "NO GUY HUGGING!" pair doesn't reinforce any subtext for anyone else? I was trying to argue progress with my sister, and she was all "Where? Since Will and Grace, where? Significant screen time improvement for M/M erotic affection and sex and casual platonic intimacy?"
She is following the gay male couple on Days, and thinks it's near par, but not on it, but challenged me to demonstrate prime time TV was similar. I can point at gay couples, but not on shows I watch, so I can't say how prevalent they are, how much affection and sexuality they get to express within the template set by the straight couples.
bon bon - Sep 19, 2013 7:33:09 am PDT #5710 of 30000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
ita, those are four separate shows! I thought you were saying it was all from the Hayes show.
§ ita § - Sep 19, 2013 7:44:24 am PDT #5711 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
No, not at all--a sitcom lineup ad. Just a general TV message of "guys hugging is icky and funny, AMIRITE??! Men and women hugging is normal!" ZERO plot details. All I could take from the billboard was subtext (fuck, I didn't even realise it was Parks and Rec up there).
msbelle - Sep 19, 2013 7:50:08 am PDT #5712 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Modern Family has a gay couple.