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Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jun 13, 2014 3:20:35 pm PDT #29843 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because of a quote I read in a story, I ended up googling the Consent Is Sexy university targeted campaign. The text of one of the posters reads:

1. DO YOU GET IT? Be sure she wants you as much as you want her. Get consent. Ask her first, “Is this OK with you?” And always respect her decision. Sex with consent is sexy. Sex without consent is rape. Respect yourself. Respect your partner.

There are more posters, targeted at women as well, for instance. Then I go down the Google results, and come to article saying "Consent Is Sexy” Is Useful But Also Kind Of Sketchy. Objections include:

First of all, sometimes it isn’t. Sometimes the answer is “no,” and the person who withholds consent can’t always (nor should they) refuse in a sexy way. Sometimes you ask “Is this okay?” and they tell you that it’s not because last time they did that it was rape.

What does that have to do with consent being sexy? It's not consent, it doesn't have to be sexy. In fact, if we read the whole poster, non-consent is rape.

So repeating “consent is sexy” over and over promotes a false image of what negotiating consent is actually like

It's not talking about the character of negotiation--it's talking about getting it.

Encouraging people to think of consent as “sexy” also implies that you should ask for consent because it’s sexy. Yes, I realize that nobody who promotes this message actually thinks that, which is why I said “implies.” But nevertheless, the constant stream of “Always ask for consent! Consent is sexy!” coming from sexual health advocates (including myself) sometimes sends the message that it’s the sexiness of consent that makes it such a vital part of healthy sexuality.

Does it imply that for you? That they're selling negotiation as sexy as opposed to required?

I’ll state the obvious: you shouldn’t get consent because it’s sexy. You should get consent because it’s the only way to be certain that you’re not assaulting someone

Is this not clearly stated in

Sex without consent is rape. Respect yourself. Respect your partner.

The article was written because the author Miri was at a university Sex Week, so I don't think she's only seeing the small pink pins that only say "Consent Is Sexy", and if they are, they should know better that it's not a complete campaign. Complain the posters are sidelined. Complain that people only see the buttons, and they don't say "Sex with consent is sexy" or even more.

And too many of her commenters agree with her.


-t - Jun 13, 2014 3:35:03 pm PDT #29844 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Well, that was a long day (10+hours with not much in the way of breaks) capping a long week, but now I am on vacation! Woo!


SuziQ - Jun 13, 2014 3:39:04 pm PDT #29845 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

And the pain is back earlier today that yesterday. So weird. I thought this stuff was supposed to be cumulative not time release. Grrrrrr.


SuziQ - Jun 13, 2014 3:44:10 pm PDT #29846 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

David - K-Bug's advise "Tell him to be friendly with winters and morimoto".


Zenkitty - Jun 13, 2014 4:20:06 pm PDT #29847 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Congrats to Emmett!

"Consent is Sexy" - IDK. No matter what you come up with or how awesome and perfect you and a bunch of other people think it is, someone is going to come up with something that's awful about it, regardless of whether it makes any sense.

Lightning storm has passed by. Only lost power for a moment, but cable is fried. I'm lucky I still have Internet. Got some neat photos of sheet lightning, though. It looks different through the camera lenses than to the eye. Literally like sheets; half the photo is dark and half is bright, like an aurora almost.


Zenkitty - Jun 13, 2014 4:20:31 pm PDT #29848 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

And posting made it better! Cable is back. Thanks, B.org magic.


sarameg - Jun 13, 2014 4:50:37 pm PDT #29849 of 30000

Congrats, Emmett!

I swam tonight. Definitely hit a wall, but I'm on the mend.


Zenkitty - Jun 13, 2014 5:11:23 pm PDT #29850 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

So I took the Which English? test. Their top three guesses for my English dialect were: 1. American (Standard) 2. Singaporean 3. South African

1 is correct, don't know where the other two came from!

Their top three guesses for my native language: 1. Norwegian 2. English 3. Swedish

Now that's surprising. It's English. Why Norwegian?


msbelle - Jun 13, 2014 5:21:53 pm PDT #29851 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I work tomorrow and really need to get to bed, but wanted to update on Oz. I think the cat-sitter may have over-dosed him on insulin (my guess is he wasn't eating, but Sylvester was finishing all the food), because after getting him to eat a few treats, then a few more, he is now eating small bowls of regular food. His eyes are clearer and focused and he is up walking around much more like normal. Still he has noticeably lost weight and is wobbly, but much much better than Wednesday.


sarameg - Jun 13, 2014 5:25:02 pm PDT #29852 of 30000

Glad to hear that, msbelle.