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Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Aug 19, 2013 9:07:40 am PDT #2933 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Is that you blonde, Lisa??


Hil R. - Aug 19, 2013 9:17:41 am PDT #2934 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Further, PA's voter id was put in place with insufficient time for everyone to get ids. And state offices didn't have enough open hours or staff to process them by elections.

The way the PA law ended up being implemented for the last election, they asked everyone for ID, but you weren't required to show it unless it was your first time voting at that polling place (which it was for me -- I moved to PA in the summer of 2010, but was involved in moving stuff and forgot to register in time for the 2010 election, and then there wasn't anything of importance being voted on in 2011.) For student IDs, Penn State has issued new ones that do qualify for the PA law, but the students who had the old ones had to go get stickers put on them, and there were still some questions about whether they'd count.


Jessica - Aug 19, 2013 9:19:59 am PDT #2935 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Are there ANY voter ID laws in the US that have not been shown, in practice, to be actively suppressing poor/minority voters? Because in the extreme abstract, I don't think showing ID in order to vote is a terrible thing. But I can't think of any real-world example of a voter ID law that isn't horrible and racist.

(In the US, I should say. Maybe other countries have figured it out, especially in places where you can vote online or with your phone.)


le nubian - Aug 19, 2013 9:20:08 am PDT #2936 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Hil, wasn't that a compromise after the original law was deemed unconstitutional?


le nubian - Aug 19, 2013 9:21:00 am PDT #2937 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jessica,

no. all laws have a disparate impact. The way it wouldn't is if we did something like other countries and guaranteed the right to vote with an automatic free/cheap id as part of it.


Hil R. - Aug 19, 2013 9:23:03 am PDT #2938 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hil, wasn't that a compromise after the original law was deemed unconstitutional?

Yeah, it was. I think the original law did say that SOME student IDs were OK, but only if they had expiration dates on them, which practically no school in the state does. I think that, starting this year, Penn State is putting expiration dates on the student IDs, which means that the students will have to get new ones every year, rather than just keeping the same ID until they graduate or lose the card, like they had been doing.


§ ita § - Aug 19, 2013 9:24:29 am PDT #2939 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, yeah -- I loved the 90s look of flowy floral dresses and clompy stompy boots.

I have two weekend modes--fandom shirt and jeans, (preferably maxi) sundress and biker or cowboy boots. Wait--three--mini skirt and cowboy or biker boots and then fandom shirt.

I didn't realise I was keeping the 90s alive, but hey! Snuggle up to the 80s and enjoy the ride!


msbelle - Aug 19, 2013 9:25:50 am PDT #2940 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

lunch with mac was successful. He is sorry. He has no idea why he acted the way he did. Me trying to roll him out of bed took him right back to about year 2 in NYC when he felt all out of control. He is still coming down from that flood of emotions this morning and was rocking back and forth a lot at lunch.

serenity prayer.


DavidS - Aug 19, 2013 9:31:51 am PDT #2941 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

He has no idea why he acted the way he did. Me trying to roll him out of bed took him right back to about year 2 in NYC when he felt all out of control. He is still coming down from that flood of emotions this morning and was rocking back and forth a lot at lunch.

The only thing I'll note is that all the current research is indicating how hard it is for teens to get up in the morning and functioning. It's not just a matter of will, but their circadian cycles are all geared towards their hormonal and body changes.

Emmett's school is pushing back its start time in response to this.


Jesse - Aug 19, 2013 9:32:28 am PDT #2942 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Aw, mac. He's still trying.