West Wing question, when did Toby become all bitter as opposed to sort of bitter or intermittently bitter?
Jayne: 'Cause I don't know these folks. Don't much care to. Mal: They're whores. Jayne: I'm in.
'Heart Of Gold'
Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This
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Kat - Apr 18, 2014 4:19:22 pm PDT #25668 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Jesse - Apr 18, 2014 4:21:29 pm PDT #25669 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Well, "Pillow Princess" generally sounds femme, but if you're using it in a semi-derogatory way, then the "princess" part could be part of that? It's someone who just lays there and gets fucked, and doesn't do anything for their partner.
How is that even a gay term? That just seems like a sex term. I mean, not that I've heard it, but it's not partner-genders specific, I don't think...
Laura - Apr 18, 2014 4:31:57 pm PDT #25670 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
It seems like it defeats a whole lot of the point of sex.
This. Never heard Pillow Princess before. I guess this counts for my learn something new every day! Just in the nick of time.
sarameg - Apr 18, 2014 4:47:16 pm PDT #25671 of 30000
Giving her a [..] to explain away all the bad behaviour, pretty much,
See, I didn't take it as such. I took it as how much shit she would endure and endure and shove aside if it could ruin her path and derail her goals. Sure, it fucked her up a bit more, but she regained control. I'm thinking of the scene the next morning, I think?
It's all very greek-tragedy-warrior-queen.
meara - Apr 18, 2014 4:57:46 pm PDT #25672 of 30000
How is that even a gay term? That just seems like a sex term.
Ehhhh....I mean, it isn't, technically. Generally it implies that the person who is the princess is getting serviced and the other person isn't getting much out of it, y'know? So, with oral, sure, but with PIV it doesn't quite work the same?
Jesse - Apr 18, 2014 4:59:59 pm PDT #25673 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Fair enough.
-t - Apr 18, 2014 5:00:36 pm PDT #25674 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That's how I saw it when we were first told about it, sarameg, but the way it played in the finale, nsm.
sarameg - Apr 18, 2014 5:15:38 pm PDT #25675 of 30000
I felt like in the finale (which I agree was kinda a lot,) the reaction to the revelation was all about Fitz and Olivia's reactions and use of it, NSM her (outside of the whole DEAD SON mourning aspect.) About them trying not to be the callow selfish asses they are, using someone else's tragedy as their escape hatch. Again.
So yes, she's a being used as a tool once again, but that's the greekness of it. What does she do when it all falls apart? Call Olivia. She's trying to get back on the path to glory.
Kat - Apr 18, 2014 5:19:11 pm PDT #25676 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
it played in the finale, nsm.
Yeah. Drunk!Mellie = super amusing, but such a fucking mess. A mess with a good reason, but mess nevertheless.
-t - Apr 18, 2014 5:25:10 pm PDT #25677 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Oh, yeah, it was totally about Fitz and Olivia's reactions. Which is annoying.