Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


NoiseDesign - Nov 20, 2013 5:59:50 pm PST #12576 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

"God bless us, every one" my ass.

I head into my Christmas Carol next week.

Tonight I'm sitting in the back row of a show at UCLA, not my show, I'm a faculty advisor on this one, but still, the next three nights sitting in tech.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 20, 2013 6:24:19 pm PST #12577 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I am getting cranky and cynical, because my first reaction was just- be glad you are not costumes,where you sit through hree days of tech and no one cares or pays attention...


Cass - Nov 20, 2013 6:32:40 pm PST #12578 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I love you all. Just because.

So, because Buffistas?


NoiseDesign - Nov 20, 2013 6:37:16 pm PST #12579 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

where you sit through hree days of tech and no one cares or pays attention...

Oh I've been there. I had at least one director that insisted he needed sound in the room for all three 10 of 12 days on a musical, then thought it was funny when we played one sound cue at 10 AM on Friday and we got to the next one at 9 PM on Sunday night.


aurelia - Nov 20, 2013 7:25:56 pm PST #12580 of 30000
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

My boss is ... not healthy. So I'm pulling double duty for now.


JZ - Nov 20, 2013 8:20:27 pm PST #12581 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Is there anyone anywhere (except possibly the asshat director(s) ND worked with who had a deeply questionable idea of what funny is) for whom tech is anything but torture? The actors definitely aren't having any fun. It's all move here; stand there; be essentially replaceable at any time with a dressmaker's dummy but don't you dare leave; as long as you're up there just say that line -- and now say it again, over and over, until you want to stab the person who wrote it with an icepick; we don't need you yet but you can't leave because your next scene is in two pages (and in tech two pages is exactly like two minutes on a football clock, which may be two actual minutes or may be more like ninety, or possibly tomorrow).

I blame ND's director(s). Or possibly Tino.


NoiseDesign - Nov 20, 2013 8:26:23 pm PST #12582 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

On a good show I love tech, it's where I get to do really creative work and in the right situation it is a wonderfully collaborative time.


aurelia - Nov 20, 2013 8:40:46 pm PST #12583 of 30000
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Tech doesn't have to be that way. Difficulties happen, but it really should be the most collaborative part of the process. When that happens it is deeply satisfying for all involved. But if a show is *extremely* technical, or the schedule it too tight, or people come into it expecting torture, then it does end up being painful. It infuriates me when a director tells a cast (esp HS or college) that tech will be boring but they have to bear with it. I've blatantly contradicted multiple directors for doing that. That is just bad training.

Yes, some shows are torture, but designers wouldn't do this if that's all there was. We are almost always in tech. We're there to help tell the story because we enjoy it.


JZ - Nov 20, 2013 9:11:53 pm PST #12584 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The directors I've worked with have pretty much all treated the cast like furniture during tech, there to stand and sit and walk on command and remain mostly silent and very remote from any of the collaborative work that happened. I honestly had no idea before you posted that that there was any alternative and that these were opportunities lost (as crew, it's always been totally fascinating and magical, but severely not so as onstage personnel).


aurelia - Nov 20, 2013 9:34:20 pm PST #12585 of 30000
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

In the best situations I've had give and take with the actors in addition to the director and other designers. I help them, they help me, they have a sense of what I'm working on in the moment. It's lovely. I'm sorry your experience has been otherwise.